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I skimmed the comments and didn't see the following perspective so thought I would add it: one thing that makes it great for me to work with people with deep ex

by abawany 10y ago

I skimmed the comments and didn't see the following perspective so thought I would add it: one thing that makes it great for me to work with people with deep expertise is the ability to learn amazing things. I am willing to put up with a lot of 'management personality/quirks' if it comes with learning that is invaluable. I believe people who work with 'interesting' (sometimes abusive) chefs such as Gordon Ramsay may also share this motivation. However, this is just my opinion and I can't say that there is a general trend for this sort of thinking.

dagw 10y ago
I agree with you that I want to work with/for those sorts of people. I disagree that I want them as my boss.
- abawany 10y ago
  I based my comment on my personal experiences and also from reading Ramsay's biography. I have also read some anecdotes from people who worked with Jobs. Ramsay's temper and abusiveness are legendary but people who work for him tend to stay with him for a long while; probably no correlation to subsequent success, I admit. That was the crux of my comment: the trade-off of putting up with a lot of quirks vs. learning things that you cannot learn anywhere else. Some people find the learning experience overrides the quirks to a certain point of personal tolerance.
dkarapetyan 10y ago
Nothing more annoying than an incompetent co-worker or boss. I don't think you're alone in that regard. If someone is competent that means I can trust them to do the right thing. If they're incompetent it's a crapshoot and causes unnecessary stress. I guess that is not necessarily the same as deep expertise but it's hard to imagine someone with expertise who is also incompetent in that domain.
- SticksAndBreaks 10y ago
  Lets not forget- every lousy software architect needs a demolition crew to clean up behind him. ;)
randcraw 10y ago
Yes, just because a boss is expert doesn't mean they're innovative. The best bosses, IMO, know the state of the art, the state of the practice (both cutting edge AND reliable), and place a high value on invention and creativity, esp. toward improving on the status quo. Support for learning and exploring AS PART OF THE JOB is central to that zeitgeist.

by abawany 10y ago

dagw 10y ago

I agree with you that I want to work with/for those sorts of people. I disagree that I want them as my boss.

abawany 10y ago
I based my comment on my personal experiences and also from reading Ramsay's biography. I have also read some anecdotes from people who worked with Jobs. Ramsay's temper and abusiveness are legendary but people who work for him tend to stay with him for a long while; probably no correlation to subsequent success, I admit. That was the crux of my comment: the trade-off of putting up with a lot of quirks vs. learning things that you cannot learn anywhere else. Some people find the learning experience overrides the quirks to a certain point of personal tolerance.

dkarapetyan 10y ago

Nothing more annoying than an incompetent co-worker or boss. I don't think you're alone in that regard. If someone is competent that means I can trust them to do the right thing. If they're incompetent it's a crapshoot and causes unnecessary stress. I guess that is not necessarily the same as deep expertise but it's hard to imagine someone with expertise who is also incompetent in that domain.

SticksAndBreaks 10y ago
Lets not forget- every lousy software architect needs a demolition crew to clean up behind him. ;)

randcraw 10y ago

Yes, just because a boss is expert doesn't mean they're innovative. The best bosses, IMO, know the state of the art, the state of the practice (both cutting edge AND reliable), and place a high value on invention and creativity, esp. toward improving on the status quo. Support for learning and exploring AS PART OF THE JOB is central to that zeitgeist.