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Good luck trying to meddle in the elections in the Netherlands! They vote with pencil and paper http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/English http://wijvertr

Good luck trying to meddle in the elections in the Netherlands! They vote with pencil and paper http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/English http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/English.

quantumhobbit 10y ago
Doesn't matter if they can influence voters with enough "fake news" and document dumps from selectively hacked politicians. Social engineering is always the weakest link.
hueving 10y ago
The meddling in the elections in the US the Russians are being accused of has nothing to do with the actual election systems. It's related to impacting the public perception of a candidate by releasing dirt on one at opportune times.
- lisivka 10y ago
  And goal is to break trust between US government and US people.
  - autotypo 10y ago
    This should be a zero trust relationship by design. Instead we are forced to trust the untrustworthy. Blaming convenient phantoms is sidestepping the problem.
    - criddell 10y ago
      Well, there shouldn't be trust by default, but the government should be able to earn our trust on a department-by-department basis. For example, I have quite a bit of trust in the CDC. I have less trust in the EPA. Trust is hard to earn but easy to lose.
    - smsm42 10y ago
      It can't be zero trust relationship - if you pay taxes and elect representatives, you trust they will not just do whatever they like with it and ignore you but do at least something useful to you. Of course, I would agree that people in general place way too much trust in government right now and that's why it was allowed to grow to current metastatic sizes and become so dangerous. But it does not mean it can function with zero trust - some trust is necessary, just not too much of it.
- pabloski 10y ago
  It is funny that the ones accusing Russia are the same who were in Maidan Square, haranguing the crowds to revolt against Yanukovich ( the democratically elected president ). So meddling is good in one direction and wrong in the other?
  - smsm42 10y ago
    Are you claiming members of US Congress and CIA and FBI and so on were literally on Maidan Square haranguing the crowds? If they were, they certainly managed to avoid being detected and recognized by anybody but you. Or, more likely, to counter one propaganda you are just parroting another piece of propaganda.
    - rudolf0 10y ago
      Or, more likely, both things are true (you know what he meant when he said "the ones") because intelligence agencies of superpowers are constantly trying to influence geopolitics in their government's favor.
      - smsm42 10y ago
        "because" here is completely wrong. From the fact that intelligence agencies of superpowers, in general, try to influence geopolitics, in general, does not follow in no manner that specific people performed specific actions at specific place.
        rudolf0 10y ago
        True, one does not imply the other, so "because" is wrong. I meant to say that "Russia (presumably) retaliated because the US does it too." Geopolitical inevitabilities aside, though, there is plenty of evidence for both the US and Russian governments' manipulations of other countries' elections.

Good luck trying to meddle in the elections in the Netherlands! They vote with pencil and paper http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/English http://wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/English.

quantumhobbit 10y ago

Doesn't matter if they can influence voters with enough "fake news" and document dumps from selectively hacked politicians. Social engineering is always the weakest link.

hueving 10y ago

The meddling in the elections in the US the Russians are being accused of has nothing to do with the actual election systems. It's related to impacting the public perception of a candidate by releasing dirt on one at opportune times.

lisivka 10y ago
And goal is to break trust between US government and US people.
- autotypo 10y ago
  This should be a zero trust relationship by design. Instead we are forced to trust the untrustworthy. Blaming convenient phantoms is sidestepping the problem.
  - criddell 10y ago
    Well, there shouldn't be trust by default, but the government should be able to earn our trust on a department-by-department basis. For example, I have quite a bit of trust in the CDC. I have less trust in the EPA. Trust is hard to earn but easy to lose.
  - smsm42 10y ago
    It can't be zero trust relationship - if you pay taxes and elect representatives, you trust they will not just do whatever they like with it and ignore you but do at least something useful to you. Of course, I would agree that people in general place way too much trust in government right now and that's why it was allowed to grow to current metastatic sizes and become so dangerous. But it does not mean it can function with zero trust - some trust is necessary, just not too much of it.
pabloski 10y ago
It is funny that the ones accusing Russia are the same who were in Maidan Square, haranguing the crowds to revolt against Yanukovich ( the democratically elected president ). So meddling is good in one direction and wrong in the other?
- smsm42 10y ago
  Are you claiming members of US Congress and CIA and FBI and so on were literally on Maidan Square haranguing the crowds? If they were, they certainly managed to avoid being detected and recognized by anybody but you. Or, more likely, to counter one propaganda you are just parroting another piece of propaganda.
  - rudolf0 10y ago
    Or, more likely, both things are true (you know what he meant when he said "the ones") because intelligence agencies of superpowers are constantly trying to influence geopolitics in their government's favor.
    - smsm42 10y ago
      "because" here is completely wrong. From the fact that intelligence agencies of superpowers, in general, try to influence geopolitics, in general, does not follow in no manner that specific people performed specific actions at specific place.
      - rudolf0 10y ago
        True, one does not imply the other, so "because" is wrong. I meant to say that "Russia (presumably) retaliated because the US does it too." Geopolitical inevitabilities aside, though, there is plenty of evidence for both the US and Russian governments' manipulations of other countries' elections.