4 ms·

Where is Trump actively working to gut free press, due process, and a free and fair voting process? Can you share sources with those claims?

tempestn 10y ago
One example of Trump acting against free press was his refusal to answer a CNN reporter's question because he didn't like their coverage of the golden showers thing. That said, parent didn't say Trump is already doing all these things; they said that people fear he will, based on his actions and statements so far.
- VickBear 10y ago
  Most presidents do that if a network is attacking him. Obama shunned Fox News a bit as well. It is all 'politics' to be fair. True at saying the people fear he will, but the fear is really bases on nothing and out-of-context quotes.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
pg314 10y ago
On his efforts to undermine a free press, just a couple that come to mind: - he threatened legal action against the NYT [1] - he said he would 'open up those libel laws' [2] - he lies about falling subscription numbers at the 'failing NYT' [3] - in his first press conference in the White House he attacked a reporter as 'fake news', and refused to answer questions by CNN [4] - he tweets [5] incorrect ratings numbers about Fox vs CNN, calling CNN 'fake news'. - he's been singling out and attacking/mocking individual reporters [6], [7] All these actions are efforts to undermine and discredit the free press. They should be alarming to anybody who cares about the US democracy. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/politics/donald-trump-lawsuit-threat.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/politics/donald-trump-... [2] http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866 http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-... [3] http://fortune.com/2016/11/17/trump-new-york-times-subscriptions/ http://fortune.com/2016/11/17/trump-new-york-times-subscript... [4] http://uk.businessinsider.com/president-elect-donald-trump-calls-out-news-reporter-during-press-conference-cnn-buzzfeed-2017-1?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/president-elect-donald-trump-c... [5] https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824078417213747200 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/82407841721374720... [6] http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/donald-trump-katy-tur/ http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/donald-trump-katy-tur/ [7] http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-reporter-with-disability-berman-sot-ac.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-r...
- masondixon 10y ago
  [2] Talk is cheap. Honestly, what do you think is going to happen? And in 4 years when we look back, if it doesn't happen - what will you think? [3] How is it a lie? > is losing thousands of subscribers You interpret this as net subscriber count to suit your narrative. Now if the NYT lost subscribers during the election which they almost certainly did then the first part of the statement is literally correct. Now the "because" phrase implies causation of "poor coverage". This would be difficult to work out unless the NYT had an exit survey and that data was public. Without information, Trump is inferring that this is a reason. So if 1000 people left because of poor coverage, his statement is still literally correct. So I do not understand how you can say it is a "lie" when the statement is "literally" correct. If you wanted to say that it is "incorrect" then you must argue for your interpretation based on relevance. If you wanted to say "vague" then you can also say that. It seems very common place to call everything a "lie" these days, when there is never enough information to evaluate the factuality of it. Modern "fact-checking" is a scary thing because depending on how you want to define things, you can "prove" any statement true or false how you like. This is a very scary thing. [5] FOX 8.7M vs CNN 2.6M [7] didn't happen. That is fake news.
  - pg314 10y ago
    > [2] Talk is cheap. Honestly, what do you think is going to happen? And in 4 years when we look back, if it doesn't happen - what will you think? You think it is ok for a presidential candidate to make those statements? Do you know of any other democratically elected leaders making those statements? You do not think this could have a chilling effect on the free press? > So if 1000 people left because of poor coverage, his statement is still literally correct. > So I do not understand how you can say it is a "lie" when the statement is "literally" correct. You assume it is literally correct, after admitting that there is no evidence for it. A literally correct statement can still be a lie. From Merriam-Webster: Definition of lie 1 to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive <She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.> <He lied about his past experience.> 2 to create a false or misleading impression <Statistics sometimes lie.> <The mirror never lies.> Can you agree that saying the NYT is losing thousands of subscribers without saying they are at the same time gaining 41,000 net new subscribers is misleading? In some of the other tweets in that article he is claiming readership is way down, and they are failing. I can not find any evidence for that, quite the contrary: their digital subscribers are way up and even though profits are down, they still aren't losing money.

tempestn 10y ago

One example of Trump acting against free press was his refusal to answer a CNN reporter's question because he didn't like their coverage of the golden showers thing. That said, parent didn't say Trump is already doing all these things; they said that people fear he will, based on his actions and statements so far.

VickBear 10y ago
Most presidents do that if a network is attacking him. Obama shunned Fox News a bit as well. It is all 'politics' to be fair. True at saying the people fear he will, but the fear is really bases on nothing and out-of-context quotes.
deleted 10y ago
[deleted]

pg314 10y ago

On his efforts to undermine a free press, just a couple that come to mind: - he threatened legal action against the NYT [1] - he said he would 'open up those libel laws' [2] - he lies about falling subscription numbers at the 'failing NYT' [3] - in his first press conference in the White House he attacked a reporter as 'fake news', and refused to answer questions by CNN [4] - he tweets [5] incorrect ratings numbers about Fox vs CNN, calling CNN 'fake news'. - he's been singling out and attacking/mocking individual reporters [6], [7] All these actions are efforts to undermine and discredit the free press. They should be alarming to anybody who cares about the US democracy. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/politics/donald-trump-lawsuit-threat.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/politics/donald-trump-... [2] http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866 http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-... [3] http://fortune.com/2016/11/17/trump-new-york-times-subscriptions/ http://fortune.com/2016/11/17/trump-new-york-times-subscript... [4] http://uk.businessinsider.com/president-elect-donald-trump-calls-out-news-reporter-during-press-conference-cnn-buzzfeed-2017-1?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/president-elect-donald-trump-c... [5] https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824078417213747200 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/82407841721374720... [6] http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/donald-trump-katy-tur/ http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/donald-trump-katy-tur/ [7] http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-reporter-with-disability-berman-sot-ac.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-r...

masondixon 10y ago
[2] Talk is cheap. Honestly, what do you think is going to happen? And in 4 years when we look back, if it doesn't happen - what will you think? [3] How is it a lie? > is losing thousands of subscribers You interpret this as net subscriber count to suit your narrative. Now if the NYT lost subscribers during the election which they almost certainly did then the first part of the statement is literally correct. Now the "because" phrase implies causation of "poor coverage". This would be difficult to work out unless the NYT had an exit survey and that data was public. Without information, Trump is inferring that this is a reason. So if 1000 people left because of poor coverage, his statement is still literally correct. So I do not understand how you can say it is a "lie" when the statement is "literally" correct. If you wanted to say that it is "incorrect" then you must argue for your interpretation based on relevance. If you wanted to say "vague" then you can also say that. It seems very common place to call everything a "lie" these days, when there is never enough information to evaluate the factuality of it. Modern "fact-checking" is a scary thing because depending on how you want to define things, you can "prove" any statement true or false how you like. This is a very scary thing. [5] FOX 8.7M vs CNN 2.6M [7] didn't happen. That is fake news.
- pg314 10y ago
  > [2] Talk is cheap. Honestly, what do you think is going to happen? And in 4 years when we look back, if it doesn't happen - what will you think? You think it is ok for a presidential candidate to make those statements? Do you know of any other democratically elected leaders making those statements? You do not think this could have a chilling effect on the free press? > So if 1000 people left because of poor coverage, his statement is still literally correct. > So I do not understand how you can say it is a "lie" when the statement is "literally" correct. You assume it is literally correct, after admitting that there is no evidence for it. A literally correct statement can still be a lie. From Merriam-Webster: Definition of lie 1 to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive <She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.> <He lied about his past experience.> 2 to create a false or misleading impression <Statistics sometimes lie.> <The mirror never lies.> Can you agree that saying the NYT is losing thousands of subscribers without saying they are at the same time gaining 41,000 net new subscribers is misleading? In some of the other tweets in that article he is claiming readership is way down, and they are failing. I can not find any evidence for that, quite the contrary: their digital subscribers are way up and even though profits are down, they still aren't losing money.