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> But if we're going talk about the old classics like racism, homophobia, and sexism -- the conservative side knows the art better than any. Lincoln, a Republ
by wooter 10y ago
> But if we're going talk about the old classics like racism, homophobia, and sexism -- the conservative side knows the art better than any.
Lincoln, a Republican, abolished slavery. And Roosevelt, a Democrat, interned Japanese Americans.
- learc83 10y agoHe said "conservative". You think Lincoln was a conservative? The Democrat's decision to support civil rights and the Republican southern strategy shift to appeal to voters who opposed civil rights radically altered both parties. The Republican party shares a name with the Party of Lincoln, but that's about it.
- michaelbuddy 10y agogiving some alternative facts again are we?
- talmand 10y agoIf you look at the vote totals you'll see that far more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats and that far more Democrats voted against it than Republicans. The Democrats did not suddenly decide to support civil rights since the majority of the opponents of such policies were Democrats. Much of the violence against blacks you see from that era were committed by Democrats. I seriously doubt there were Democrats out beating blacks for demanding civil rights one day and literally the next day they were voting for civil rights. That situation was far more nuanced than the idea that millions of people with opposing viewpoints across the entirety of the country suddenly agreed with each other to switch parties. As for the southern strategy, there is the viewpoint that getting people to vote for you doesn't automatically mean you accept and enforce their ideologies. They just become "useful idiots" for your cause. Although, I disagree with the premise of the strategy because it would have the side effect of fostering racial divide. But I have the advantage of hindsight in that matter.
- justinlaster 10y agoHe literally just explained this. Democrats then are not the same Democrats now. The people (southern whites) that committed violence against blacks who were democrats back then, are very, very likely to be Republican these days.
- talmand 10y agoSo, the rest of the Republicans across the country outside of the South that voted for Civil Rights just went along with this change and accepted the role of being the "racist" party? Because that's the claim.
- justinlaster 10y agoExcept it's not.
- talmand 10y agoHmm, I must have been reading the wrong news for the past twenty years because I would swear that it is very common rhetoric from the left that the Republican party is the party of the racists. I also thought that very claim was made during the last Presidential campaigns by the Democrat candidate. My bad.
- justinlaster 10y agoYes, racists tend to be in the Republican party. That is not saying that all Republicans are racist. Or that there is some intrinsic quality about republican and racist. Although it should make you question why you're apart of the same party given certain platform agendas recently. I am not going to explain this further, as you are borderline trolling.
- talmand 10y agoWho claimed I was Republican? You are assuming.
- jjaredsimpson 10y agoBecause political labels from 150 and 80 years ago are clearly relevant.