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This is amazing. The womens marches over the weekend and these seem to be an indicator of a very sudden awakening.
by banku_brougham 10y ago
This is amazing. The womens marches over the weekend and these seem to be an indicator of a very sudden awakening.
- juskrey 10y ago50 years ago: "We, women, are not sexual devices!" 2017: Putting on pink clit caps. I bet 1984 customers is way another set of people.
- Trill-I-Am 10y agoHow is referencing the natural female anatomy inherently sexual?
- mattnewton 10y agoWhat's wrong with a hat you can knit at home? It's an effective symbol.
- gukov 10y agohttp://blog.dilbert.com/post/156315793671/battle-of-the-hats http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156315793671/battle-of-the-hats
- sergiotapia 10y agoIt's a terribly ineffective symbol: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156315793671/battle-of-the-hats http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156315793671/battle-of-the-hats
- nkozyra 10y agoThe argument posited here is not that it's "terribly ineffective" but that Scott Adams - someone naturally inclined against such causes and demonstrations - doesn't "get it." (His words)
- dllthomas 10y ago> Women are “owning” pink to rob it of its power to brand them as the so-called weaker sex. https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2009/dec/12/pinkstinks-the-power-of-pink https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2009/dec/12/pinkstin... > The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger colour, is more suitable for the boy
- mverwijs 10y ago"So pink is not a fighting/protesting color if you want to keep the base energized." I like Scott Adams, but this is silly. The 'N' word is not something to get energized over either, and neither is the 'Q' word. But those examples he ignores even though he mentions them himself earlier. Another example: When the Dutch started their war of independence from Spain, the freedomfighters (terrorists?) called themselves 'Geus', derived from the french word 'gueux'. It means 'beggar', the lowest of social statuses. We turned 'Geus' into being a hero. Same could happen to the color pink. So stop knit-picking (pun!) and join the fight.
- WA 10y agoEvery blog post of Scott Adams: "Trump is a master persuader and everything he does is on purpose. I know because I'm a master persuader, too. Here's proof for his flawless persuasion technique (an anecdote follows). Here's more proof, because one proof isn't enough (another anecdote). Because I understand Trump and predicted his election, this is proof that I am really a master persuader. So now go ahead and buy my book and my app." I read quite a bit of Scott Adams blog and truth is: He didn't predict anything. He is a comedian. He could've spinned every outcome of the election in any direction in hindsight. He is in for maximum outrage and controversy, because that drives traffic and clicks and comments and ultimately, he makes money off it. In his book, he even says that he did some pranks that lasted for years and he only did it for the lulz. This is exactly the same. If you think Scott Adams explains it all, you're being played.
- beloch 10y agoFlip the gender. Would you respect a bunch of dickheads marching around D.C.?
- fixxer 10y agoLol. You're only going to confuse them.
- mrbrowning 10y agoUnsurprisingly, the answer to "would you react the same way if a totally different thing happened in a totally different context?" is: no.
- flukus 10y agoIt's not a totally different thing, it's the same thing with male genitalia instead of female. We don't know if the context would be totally different or not.
- mrbrowning 10y agoIt's not a totally different thing, it's the same thing with me driving on the left side of the road instead of the right. We don't know if this would cause horrific, fiery tangles of flesh and steel or not.
- rokosbasilisk 10y agoThis is reasoning is a great example why democrats have lost the working class. We all know if men marched with dicks on ther heads in washington they would be laughed and imo rightfully so.
- mattnewton 10y agoAnd we are arguing that it's not relevant. Men are treated differently in our society, dicks have a different connotation, etc. This is a great example of how simple metaphors strip important nuance.
- vixen99 10y agohttps://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2017/01/21/why-youll-get-your-next-electronic-device-from-asia/ https://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2017/01/21/why-youll-get-you... 'For every hour that an American spent knitting a hat . . .'
- rconti 10y ago>Finally, the march here in Boston seems to have proved Donald Trump correct regarding the incompetence of U.S. local, state, and federal government. Despite soaking up 40-50 percent of GDP, the government couldn’t adapt to the forecast demand for transportation today by, e.g., adding extra trains. Even a stopped clock....
- dsfyu404ed 10y agoYou, I and every other person who's ever lived in MA know that the MA gov't is beyond dysfunctional. Expecting them to lean on the MBTA or any other entity to get shit done when necessary is like asking for a utopia.
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago>You, I and every other person who's ever lived in MA know that the MA gov't is beyond dysfunctional. Well, except that the MBTA keeps running, laws are enforced, we have decent public schools, and we don't all have lead poisoning -- a few things we've got over, say, Michigan.
- legodt 10y agoI and a lot of other progressives take issue with it because it is trans-exclusionary and continues the long tradition of mainstream feminist demonstrations or expressions being explicitly for a white, cisgendered audience. I think OP was being mysoginistic and wasn't thinking this, but there is criticism on the left of the symbol as well. That said, now is not the time to start infighting with people just starting to become politically aware/active. Most of the marchers have never done anything political before so mistakes/naivety are to be expected
- mattnewton 10y agoThe hats were meant more as a symbol of feminine solidarity and to reclaim the word pussy though right? It's not trying to be anatomically correct, and afaict doesn't inheriently exclude trans people any more than it excludes progressive mens issues or the black lives matters movement. I am honestly asking from a position of near total ignorance. edit: Is it just that it's more a missed opportunity to pick a more inclusive symbol?
- legodt 10y agoYou're not wrong, but there is more context. There is a near inexhaustible list of feminist art that defines womanhood as an anatomical feature or set of features, and seeing this March that is ostensibly for all women be so tone deaf to this existing fault in the feminist community shows a real lack of understanding of what it takes to truly be intersectional. This is what makes the symbol exclusionary to non-binary or transgendered women, it's continuation of a trend of exclusion. During second wave feminism, this was so common a phrase grew out of it- TERF, Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. A prominent example is Gloria Steinem. For decades, the gender-nonconforming have been written out or excluded from the feminist movement at large, and this was a major opportunity to unify everyone for possibly the first time. A more inclusive symbol could have been chosen. Q: The hats were meant more as a symbol of feminine solidarity...? A: The solidarity excluded a major group that has historically been discriminated against even by progressive causes
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- juskrey 10y agoOkay, if anyone here has an access to data, I'll place a bet.
- skylan_q 10y agoI don't get why everyone assumes that you can only be a female if you have a vagina
- knz 10y agoDid you mean femanist? Edit: I'm not sure why I'm getting downvotes... It seems like a reasonable typo OP may have made given the context? > I don't get why everyone assumes that you can only be a female if you have a vagina
- mattnewton 10y agoyou are getting downvotes most likely for confusing gender and sex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction It's unfortunate because I think you were acting in good faith and an explanation would be more productive
- knz 10y agoI'm aware of the difference but assumed it was related to questions about why men may have participated in the march. My mistake apparently!
- hueving 10y agoMost people associate female/male with sexual organs. You can see this any many metaphors (e.g. google "female electrical outlet" and "male electrical outlet").
- refurb 10y agoOh you did it now! 2017 headline "Electrical standards commission will no longer refer to "male" and "female" outlets but rather "hole" and "prong".
- EleventhSun 10y agoIn 2017, people have to rely on anchoring their sexual meanings based on male/female electrical adapters. Yep, 1984 is here.
- fullshark 10y agoI thought those were supposed to be cat ears?
- toor2 10y agoThey are bennies with cat ears called pussy hats, not "clit hats". They were made in response to the "grab me by the pussy" remark The Donald made. Also AFAB people have a right to destigmatize their reproductive organs. (Think about how many times a day middle school boys draw penises on things) Now that being said, I think the pussy hats are problematic because they are trans exclusionary, which is totally unrelated to your imagined feminist hypocrisy.
- korrach 10y agoAnd a falling asleep as soon as a better clown takes control. Trump is marginally worse in content but infinitely worse in presentation. I mean ffs Obama care was a heritage foundation proposal and that's his shining achievement, it would be like Lincoln abolishing slavery by buying all the slaves and then making them work to pay off their freedom.
- ctchocula 10y agoAccording to [1], it's similar to a Republican bill from the 1990s, but was not a Heritage Foundation proposal. > More hard-line senators such as Phil Gramm, R-Texas, House Republicans and the Heritage Foundation saw the Chafee bill as an unacceptable compromise. [1] http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/...
- jdavis703 10y agoI think you're seeing two pieces of outrage over Trump. The first is the predictable liberal outrage: he's proposing policy that conflicts with what liberals want. Then there's the anger and fear from what appears to be fascist, authorities tendencies in Trump. That's one reason why a President Pence doesn't scare me (and apparently others who are calling for Trump's impeachment). Sure Pence won't work for liberal interests, but at the same time I don't believe he'll be actively working to gut non-partisan areas such as a free press, due process, a free and fair voting process, etc.
- VickBear 10y agoWhere is Trump actively working to gut free press, due process, and a free and fair voting process? Can you share sources with those claims?
- tempestn 10y agoOne example of Trump acting against free press was his refusal to answer a CNN reporter's question because he didn't like their coverage of the golden showers thing. That said, parent didn't say Trump is already doing all these things; they said that people fear he will, based on his actions and statements so far.
- flukus 10y agoWill this awakening by introspective at all? Because punishing wrongthink seems to be endemic with third wave feminists and modern "progressive" groups.
- Lramseyer 10y agoI thought the exact same thing myself when I saw this news. It made me think of this: https://medium.com/@aristoNYC/social-justice-bullies-the-authoritarianism-of-millennial-social-justice-6bdb5ad3c9d3#.qazg2w7ki https://medium.com/@aristoNYC/social-justice-bullies-the-aut...
- flukus 10y agoMy favorite is http://reddit.com/stormfrontorsjw http://reddit.com/stormfrontorsjw
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- eli_gottlieb 10y agoHow much right-wing authoritarianism by a sitting government will or would it take to convince you that authoritarian governments are more of a problem than ideologically incoherent university students?
- flukus 10y ago> ideologically incoherent university students? If it were kept in universities I wouldn't care, but it's infected left wing politics and HR departments everywhere. I'm much more worried about left wing authoritarianism in the near future than a rather bland right wing authoritarianism today.
- EleventhSun 10y agoThird wave feminism has absolutely nothing do to with equality, it's all about getting people to attack the people to the side rather than look above.
- vixen99 10y agoWhy would a march be more significant than the votes of 62 million people? I agree that an awakening is overdue given that for instance, America’s child poverty levels are worse than in any developed country anywhere, including Greece and only Slovakia, Chile, Mexico and Turkey have worse infant mortality rates. Median adult wealth is 27th out of 27 high-income countries; internet speed and access is 16th out of 34 countries and for people living below the poverty line - US is 36th out of 162 countries, behind Morocco and Albania. However the US does score a first in its prison population. It comes #1 out of 224 countries. Only China comes close.
- refurb 10y agopeople living below the poverty line - US is 36th out of 162 countries, behind Morocco and Albania You do realize how ridiculous that stat looks right? Are you arguing the poor are worse off in the US than in Morocco? And let me guess, the poverty stat is excluding income transfers? I swear to god politics has gotten even nuttier in the US than it has been. And it was nutty before! Facts don't matter, crushing your opponent matters. Truth be damned! *Speaking as an American.
- jeffgreco 10y agoPeople living below the poverty line seems to be discussing # of people, not their quality of life. Whatever study this is presumably controls for poverty line country-by-country. So: sure, ridiculous if you came to the stat looking for "worse off," I guess?
- refurb 10y agoand for people living below the poverty line - US is 36th out of 162 countries, behind Morocco and Albania. What else could that comment be claiming? It wouldn't really make much sense if the claim was "more people live under the poverty line in the US than Morocco, but they are among the most wealthy people in the world."
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- hyperdunc 10y agoDid you not hear the hyperbole coming from the celebrity cheerleaders at those marches? Ashley Judd sounded like a loon, going on about Hitler and ECT. Not to mention the whole idea of the march is based on identity politics.