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Night Shift Mode in macOS Sierra 10.12.4
- celerrimus 10y agoNice feature. And at this point i have dilemma, i stopped os x updates after Apple decided to remove remaining battery time. I like f.lux idea, but sometimes have some problems with it, so i would like to test Night Shift. Hope remaining time will return with future update
- scrapcode 10y agoDo you have any reasons other than having a somewhat decent idea of how much time you have left? Battery power doesn't work on a time basis as power expenditure isn't consistent.
- Filligree 10y agoMy power expenditure is consistent: Most of the time when I'm on battery I'm typing in Scrivener, which leaves CPU use a flat 0%. (Presuming I've remembered to SIGSTOP Chrome.) The battery life indicator was reliably accurate. I miss it.
- throwanem 10y ago> Do you have any reasons other than having a somewhat decent idea of how much time you have left? Why do you find this reason insufficient?
- hueving 10y ago>Battery power doesn't work on a time basis as power expenditure isn't consistent It can be quite consistent if you do very simple things (CPU-wise). SSH-ing into servers and working on them all day is pretty consistent in battery life on my MBP.
- jvzr 10y agoiStat Menus and CoconutBattery (to cite two options respectively paid and free) both provide menu bar indicators of remaining time. I've found iStat Menus' very consistent.
- dwb 10y agohttps://bjango.com/mac/istatmenus/ https://bjango.com/mac/istatmenus/ iStat Menus includes a battery menu item replacement that will show you the estimated remaining time.
- mrmondo 10y agoGlad to see this is built in now, very useful on iOS and iOS apps
- citrusui 10y agoFirst iOS 9.3, then Android 7.0, upcoming Windows Insider builds, and finally macOS Sierra 10.12.4. I hope the GNOME/Unity/Cinammon developers start implementing this too. f.lux works as expected, but it starts to get warmer around an hour before my iPhone does. Small issue, I know, but it does get annoying over time.
- elsen 10y agoYou may not know: on Unity you can saturate / desaturate the windows. I set them almost black and white and increase the saturation when I need it (shift + brigthness up / down). I have no idea if it provide health benefits similar to the "orangy filters" but it's pretty nice on the eyes and, personally, it makes me happy to see the outside world with brighter colors than my screen.
- mikewhy 10y agoHazeOver is an app for macOS that does similar, dimming windows except the active one.
- eikenberry 10y agoFor Linux I suggest redshift [1]. It has been packaged for a long time and works great. [1] http://jonls.dk/redshift/ http://jonls.dk/redshift/
- Kostic 10y agoNote that redshift currently does not work under GNOME3 when Gnome is running as a Wayland compositor. There is a feature request[1] for integrating this functionality into GNOME 3 (and even a nice mockup[2]). [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741224 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741224 [2] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-settings/displays/displays-v3.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mo...
- abrowne 10y ago
- dbg31415 10y agoFlux has been such a great tool. I love that Apple is copying that functionality and I hope the Flux team understands that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
- feelix 10y agoConsidering that it's costing them their business and fame, I doubt that they would see it like that.
- kalleboo 10y agoWhat is their business? It's a free app. Have they licensed the technology to anyone?
- edwinjm 10y agoFrom their website: "f.lux is patent pending". So when they get their patent, they can sell licenses.
- drivebyops 10y agoOr sue Apple ;)
- dan1234 10y agoConsidering they’ve both implemented it, I’d guess Apple & Google have either already licensed the tech or decided the patent application has no merit.
- asendra 10y agoWell, given that the Flux team has refused for years to allow us to configure the times and for how long it activates itself, I welcome Apple bringing this to the mac.
- ClassyJacket 10y ago
- nkkollaw 10y agoFirst they killed Flash, now it's Flux's turn.
- xs 10y agoFlash was so bad that it killed itself. Flux was so good that Apple implemented it. 2 different stories. You could compare this with Alfred though...
- nkkollaw 10y agoTrue, I was just trying to be funny (didn't work) :-)
- mokkol 10y agoIs Alfred really killed? I am still a heavy user, many improvements compare to Spotlight for me.
- michelb 10y agoIt sure is not killed by Spotlight, I use many features in Alfred that are not available in Spotlight. Launching applications and doing simple tasks like calculations are possible with Spotlight. Snippets in Alfred work better than the OSX 'text' feature. Alfred with the Powerpack is really great.
- jamessb 10y agoOr to Watson (Sherlock/spotlight), Instapaper (Safari Reading List), Konfabulator/Yahoo Widgets (Dashboard), SecondBar (menu bars appear on all monitors since Mavericks), or TotalFinder (the Finder has had tabs since Mavericks).
- 4714 10y agoSo glad to hear this. I've had so many problems with flux during the past year.
- frou_dh 10y agoYeah - display colour is an OS-level concern. This feature belongs in the OS itself.
- paperpunk 10y agoIs there any evidence for Night Shift/f.lux having impact on sleep? Last time I attempted a review I found plenty of explanations but no evidence. A PNAS article about the use of e-Readers is often cited [0]. However, this compares a light emitting device to a book, and it's not clear how applicable it is to Night Shift vs. not Night Shift. There is some research about the affects of light at different wavelengths on the human sleep cycle but I'm wary about using that as evidence for the efficacy of something like f.lux or Night Shift without specific studies done on their use in practice. [0] http://www.pnas.org/content/112/4/1232.full.html http://www.pnas.org/content/112/4/1232.full.html
- dzhiurgis 10y agoGanglion cells[0] are sensitive to blue light and produce melatonin, one of the few sleep regulating hormones. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsically_photosensitive_reti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsically_photosensitive_r... nal_ganglion_cells
- HappyTypist 10y agoI think for something as simple as Night Shift, "try it yourself and see" is a valid approach. Even if it's a placebo effect, it's still an effect! Anecdotally, Flux + Night Shift dramatically improved my longstanding insomnia. But that's just my anecdotal experience
- paperpunk 10y agoIf it helps people to improve their hygiene, by placebo effect or otherwise, then that's a good thing. However, I ask because I did try it for several months, and did not notice any effect other than the minor irritation of having to keep turning it off when I wanted to watch a film in the evening (and the constant malfunctioning of f.lux – although hopefully those issues would not be present in Night Shift). I'm not sure I would be able to detect an improvement even if there is one though - there's too many confounding factors. So I'd like to see some evidence so I can make an informed decision.
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- satyajeet23 10y agoRIP Flux.
- ClassyJacket 10y agoI'm glad they added this. I was disappointed that it wasn't in the Sierra announcement. Guess they just needed a bit more time. I will be glad to finally be able to dump Flux. It's mind-bogglingly insane, but Flux still doesn't allow you to set a custom start and end time. I certainly don't need my screen going orange a full six hours before I go to bed. So I'll be getting away from it onto this official one the day it's available. I've tweeted them about it a few times, but they don't reply, and it's not open source, so I can't fix it myself. Plus, Flux is incompatible with fullscreen YouTube on the Macbook Pro, which is a really big problem too.
- Sharlin 10y agoThe newest version finally does, sort of. It supports setting a "bedtime" color (and a custom time) independent of the "sunset" color, so you can have eg. 5500K in daytime, ~3500K in the evening (matching normal interior lighting), and ~2000K when it's actually bedtime. Or just set the same color for the first two.
- CalRobert 10y agoHas anyone produced a screen that isn't backlit in recent years? I see there's a 13" e-ink display (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/paperlike-world-s-first-e-ink-monitor-13-3#/ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/paperlike-world-s-first-e... ) but I don't know if it needs to be e-ink or simply not backlit. I worked last night to candle light and it was lovely; would like to be able to do the same on computer. Perhaps it's worth finding an old monitor to kill the backlight on to try this out.
- throwanem 10y agoYou needn't bother. Having repaired a considerable number of displays with dead backlight inverters, I can say from experience that you won't be able to see anything. (Light has to pass through an LCD in order to produce a perceptible image. Watch displays, pre-backlight Palm devices, non-backlit e-ink displays, and the like do this by reflecting back light that arrives through the screen. Computer displays all but universally do it with a backlight; without one, and without a reflective layer behind the LC layer, you see a blank black rectangle no matter what the crystal layer is doing.)
- skyyler 10y agoIf they're gonna kill the backlight anyways, I doubt it'd be much effort to put something reflective where the backlight was.
- throwanem 10y agoYou'd be surprised. Getting good light reflection without also producing an image of the surroundings to conflict with the display is harder than it seems.
- dingo_bat 10y agoAmoled screens can go really dim. As dim as reading by candlelight, while retaining most color detail. But I don't think we will get an amoled computer monitor anytime soon, if at all.
- vonklaus 10y agoIt's tough to get excited about macOS. F.lux is 7 years old. I am running Yosemite and I have to keep my own installer for new machines & restoration. I like nightshift, don't get me wrong, but I've never met someone who based their software ecosystem on a vendor provided way to change the color temp...
- ruminasean 10y agoI'd love to see some form of universal dark mode or reverse mode on Macs and ios. Something that reverses backgrounds so I'm reading white text on black background. There are various workarounds, but it would be nice to not have to use them.
- chrismbarr 10y agoYou can invert the screen colors. System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts, look under "Accessibility" for "invert colors" You can also assign this to a hotkey to quickly toggle it on/off.
- anotherturn 10y agoI've installed a firefox plugin that does this - just a few css rules for background color, text colour, etc. It totally ruins all the designy aspects of the web, but it makes reading a lot less tiring for my eyes.
- noisem4ker 10y agoIf you're referring to "Dark Background and Light Text" by Mikhail Khvoinitsky, I can vouch for it. It also works surprisingly well on mobile: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/android/addon/dark-background-light-text/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/android/addon/dark-backgrou...
- anotherturn 10y agoYes - that's the one. I've set it for the traditional dark background and green text (as I have for terminal, sublime, etc.). Does wonders for the eyes.
- thrusong 10y agoThis is hardly a scientific review, but I definitely feel like I've started sleeping better since I started using Night Shift on my phone and f.lux on my MacBook. I seem to fall asleep faster and I don't toss or turn as much.
- wlesieutre 10y agoMy biggest disappointment with the new Macbook Pro is that it didn't include tunable color temperature for the keyboard. For an iPad, just changing the screen works because that's all it is. When your keyboard is a separate glowing thing, having your screen at 2200K and keys at 6500K looks awful. I used to turn the backlit keys off while running f.lux, but you're stuck with a touch bar at minimum now. Oh well. EDIT: Obviously the touch bar is full color and could be shifted like the screen. But because Apple's stance is that it's part of the keyboard, and the keyboard can't shift, I don't think they will. Curious if anyone's tested it though.
- FigBug 10y agoIf you want you house lights to do the same thing, get some Philips Hue bulbs and this app I wrote: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/circadian-hue-for-philips-hue/id1165687051?mt=12&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/circadian-hue-for-philips-hu... My old office didn't get much external light, so I wrote this app to give me a sense of time of day. Now I have a better office I still use it.
- malandrew 10y agoNice. Would it be easy to port to iOS as well? I reckon that you'd mostly just need to implement the user interface.
- anotherturn 10y agoI've used f.lux but the problem I find is that if I'm unwinding in the evening watching some youtube / netflix on my laptop the colour shift is quite annoying. By contrast, on my iphone I tend to not need accurate colour representation so the recently introduced Night Shift Mode is hardly noticed.