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No one said nag. People seem to be be assuming the worst possible behaviour. Asking once with a "Don't ask again" and "Later" option is pretty standard. The or

by scosman 10y ago

No one said nag. People seem to be be assuming the worst possible behaviour. Asking once with a "Don't ask again" and "Later" option is pretty standard. The original post said a popup is annoying enough to deserve a 1-star review. I strongly disagree and if you enjoy free apps, it's one of the few ways to really thank the developer.

mikeash 10y ago
We assume the worst behavior because that's what we observe. If you only ever ask once, don't you lose out the next time you release a new version and all the reviews get reset? The standard seems to be to ask for every new version, which is a major pain in the behind. Speaking only for myself, I don't one-star any app just for asking once. I only do it to repeat offenders. I'd prefer never to be asked, but if it's just once, it's easier to just dismiss it and get on with things.
jackvalentine 10y ago
> No one said nag. People seem to be be assuming the worst possible behaviour. Asking once with a "Don't ask again" and "Later" option is pretty standard. It is pretty standard, and it turns out that I have more than a hundred apps installed that all do it. I too routinely give one-star ratings to try and de-incentivise this kind of thing. I'm sorry that you don't seem to have an alternate way of going about getting balanced reviews but I don't have an alternate way of never seeing that popup again. Edit: Thinking about it further, it's remarkably arrogant to dismiss our complaints as effectively the wrong kind of complaint to put in reviews. That's not something you get to decide.
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- scosman 10y ago
  No one dismissed your complaint. I presented the developer point of view. If you honestly think that a single popup makes an app deserve of a 1 star rating regardless of anything else, I disagree. It's like being a single issue voter. It's also more damaging than you know to the app developers who's work you are using (in most cases for free) and I'd encourage you to reconsider. Apple could fix this issue. A few vigilantes can't
  - jackvalentine 10y ago
    > I'd encourage you to reconsider. Apple could fix this issue. A few vigilantes can't Apple aren't going to fix the issue without it being a problem for them. I'm making it a problem by poisoning the review well in my own little way. I think this is a considered response - it's literally the only push-back that users have against the practice. My preferred outcome would be a complete ban on asking for reviews. Edit: my initial post was a bit abrasive, edited. But I'd like to end with a question: What's your preferred user response to the practice of seemingly every single app begging for reviews? An actual, actionable response. Two-star reviews? Three?
    - SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
      >What's your preferred user response to the practice of seemingly every single app begging for reviews? An actual, actionable response. Complain to Apple for having a broken system, but don't hurt the developers of the very apps you're F-ing using. As OP said above, Apple could fix this issue. Maybe weight recent reviews more, but don't just wipe the history for every upgrade. The profound sense of entitlement that users express is really frustrating to app developers. We can either never ask for reviews and watch as 1 in 100 people EVER review our app (and THOSE reviews are skewed to the people who have a complaint, so the review average is typically crap), meaning that we barely get any downloads and can't actually make a living selling apps, or we can ask for reviews and have people complain with 1-star reviews because the app they continue using for free annoyed them once. And entirely because of Apple it needs to annoy them more than once in order to stay relevant. Here's what I'd love to do: Make it so that, if you rate an app 1-star, or even 2-stars, you can't use it any more. If you rate it that low and you still use it, you're lying to other users and harming the creator of the app that you're using for free. Give me a developer API to know what users rated the app how, and I'd implement that in a minute. People could still rate it 1-star if it sucked. Because if it sucked they wouldn't want to use it. Drop the review to 4 stars if you're annoyed by it, but know that the developers really, really have no choice. You're basically telling them to commit economic suicide for your minor convenience.
DavideNL 10y ago
I've never ever seen a "Don't ask again" option in the ios apps i use. And therefor i also leave 1 star ratings once in a while for apps that keep annoying me with this question (and interrupting my workflow.) i think it's the only effective thing i can do, the message is: stop wasting my time

by scosman 10y ago

mikeash 10y ago

We assume the worst behavior because that's what we observe. If you only ever ask once, don't you lose out the next time you release a new version and all the reviews get reset? The standard seems to be to ask for every new version, which is a major pain in the behind. Speaking only for myself, I don't one-star any app just for asking once. I only do it to repeat offenders. I'd prefer never to be asked, but if it's just once, it's easier to just dismiss it and get on with things.

jackvalentine 10y ago

> No one said nag. People seem to be be assuming the worst possible behaviour. Asking once with a "Don't ask again" and "Later" option is pretty standard. It is pretty standard, and it turns out that I have more than a hundred apps installed that all do it. I too routinely give one-star ratings to try and de-incentivise this kind of thing. I'm sorry that you don't seem to have an alternate way of going about getting balanced reviews but I don't have an alternate way of never seeing that popup again. Edit: Thinking about it further, it's remarkably arrogant to dismiss our complaints as effectively the wrong kind of complaint to put in reviews. That's not something you get to decide.

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scosman 10y ago
No one dismissed your complaint. I presented the developer point of view. If you honestly think that a single popup makes an app deserve of a 1 star rating regardless of anything else, I disagree. It's like being a single issue voter. It's also more damaging than you know to the app developers who's work you are using (in most cases for free) and I'd encourage you to reconsider. Apple could fix this issue. A few vigilantes can't
- jackvalentine 10y ago
  > I'd encourage you to reconsider. Apple could fix this issue. A few vigilantes can't Apple aren't going to fix the issue without it being a problem for them. I'm making it a problem by poisoning the review well in my own little way. I think this is a considered response - it's literally the only push-back that users have against the practice. My preferred outcome would be a complete ban on asking for reviews. Edit: my initial post was a bit abrasive, edited. But I'd like to end with a question: What's your preferred user response to the practice of seemingly every single app begging for reviews? An actual, actionable response. Two-star reviews? Three?
  - SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
    >What's your preferred user response to the practice of seemingly every single app begging for reviews? An actual, actionable response. Complain to Apple for having a broken system, but don't hurt the developers of the very apps you're F-ing using. As OP said above, Apple could fix this issue. Maybe weight recent reviews more, but don't just wipe the history for every upgrade. The profound sense of entitlement that users express is really frustrating to app developers. We can either never ask for reviews and watch as 1 in 100 people EVER review our app (and THOSE reviews are skewed to the people who have a complaint, so the review average is typically crap), meaning that we barely get any downloads and can't actually make a living selling apps, or we can ask for reviews and have people complain with 1-star reviews because the app they continue using for free annoyed them once. And entirely because of Apple it needs to annoy them more than once in order to stay relevant. Here's what I'd love to do: Make it so that, if you rate an app 1-star, or even 2-stars, you can't use it any more. If you rate it that low and you still use it, you're lying to other users and harming the creator of the app that you're using for free. Give me a developer API to know what users rated the app how, and I'd implement that in a minute. People could still rate it 1-star if it sucked. Because if it sucked they wouldn't want to use it. Drop the review to 4 stars if you're annoyed by it, but know that the developers really, really have no choice. You're basically telling them to commit economic suicide for your minor convenience.

DavideNL 10y ago

I've never ever seen a "Don't ask again" option in the ios apps i use. And therefor i also leave 1 star ratings once in a while for apps that keep annoying me with this question (and interrupting my workflow.) i think it's the only effective thing i can do, the message is: stop wasting my time