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I don't understand the down votes since it's factual that you can't sign your plugins and distribute them inside Safari (AND ALSO keep them automatically update

I don't understand the down votes since it's factual that you can't sign your plugins and distribute them inside Safari (AND ALSO keep them automatically updated) unless you pay Apple their anual fee. But well, fanboys will be fanboys.

eridius 10y ago
I don't know why your original comment was downvoted, but dismissing people who disagree with you as "fanboys" is rather insulting.
- jbmorgado 10y ago
  Can you provide any other logical explanation to down vote a factual comment completely related to the post?
  - eridius 10y ago
    My best guess is it's just people tired of seeing someone complain about the $100 developer program membership every time the subject of Safari extensions comes up.
    - jbmorgado 10y ago
      So people get tired of facing reality and down vote whoever makes them peek outside their walled garden. Ok, it's acceptable.
      - eridius 10y ago
        You're being insulting again. If you don't want to be downvoted, you might want to try taking a different tone.
      - franciscop 10y ago
        I've never owned a Mac or iPhone but this tone is offensive and not welcome in HN as can be seen in the guideliness: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Be civil [...] Avoid gratuitous negativity.
  - threeseed 10y ago
    For god sake stop whinging about down votes. You can't control it and it contributes nothing.
  - isleyaardvark 10y ago
    The tone.
ebbv 10y ago
People may be downvoting you because this meme that Safari needs open development of extensions is tired and they're sick of reading it.
- mitchty 10y ago
  Extensions in the gallery also didn't take a $100 membership until 2015. Needless to say not many people developed extensions then either. So blaming Safari membership as being the problem for extensions not being developed seems to also miss the history of extensions. Also you can install extensions outside of the gallery: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/releases https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/releases
  - jbmorgado 10y ago
    So, the way Apple choose to solve the lack of extensions for their browser was to keep everything the same and charge 100$/year on top of that. Doesn't seem like a very smart business practice. In any case you are forgetting that although you can install extensions made outside Apple Dev. program, you can't update them because they aren't signed. You have to keep checking the extension page (like uBlock Origin), see when there is a new version, download the new version, and re-install it... all manually.
    - mitchty 10y ago
      > You have to keep checking the extension page (like uBlock Origin), see when there is a new version, download the new version, and re-install it... all manually. Or just write a script, which isn't that hard, outside of applescript. And the ability to install extensions outside of the dev program seems to invalidate that one cannot install extensions unless in the dev program. That they're not auto updated is a rather trivial thing to work around.
    - mitchty 10y ago
      Here, non manual updating of that plugin I spent all of 10 minutes on this morning due to a meeting: https://gist.github.com/mitchty/feb05fd4a98bdbe53bd66476f7dbe8fb https://gist.github.com/mitchty/feb05fd4a98bdbe53bd66476f7db... Its basically 10 lines, and the applescript is new to me. Keeping extensions up to date shouldn't be that hard. And now I've got a script for keeping that one extension up to date.
sctb 10y ago
The guidelines ask us to please not complain about downvotes. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475739 and marked it off-topic.

eridius 10y ago

I don't know why your original comment was downvoted, but dismissing people who disagree with you as "fanboys" is rather insulting.

jbmorgado 10y ago
Can you provide any other logical explanation to down vote a factual comment completely related to the post?
- eridius 10y ago
  My best guess is it's just people tired of seeing someone complain about the $100 developer program membership every time the subject of Safari extensions comes up.
  - jbmorgado 10y ago
    So people get tired of facing reality and down vote whoever makes them peek outside their walled garden. Ok, it's acceptable.
    - eridius 10y ago
      You're being insulting again. If you don't want to be downvoted, you might want to try taking a different tone.
    - franciscop 10y ago
      I've never owned a Mac or iPhone but this tone is offensive and not welcome in HN as can be seen in the guideliness: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Be civil [...] Avoid gratuitous negativity.
- threeseed 10y ago
  For god sake stop whinging about down votes. You can't control it and it contributes nothing.
- isleyaardvark 10y ago
  The tone.

ebbv 10y ago

People may be downvoting you because this meme that Safari needs open development of extensions is tired and they're sick of reading it.

mitchty 10y ago
Extensions in the gallery also didn't take a $100 membership until 2015. Needless to say not many people developed extensions then either. So blaming Safari membership as being the problem for extensions not being developed seems to also miss the history of extensions. Also you can install extensions outside of the gallery: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/releases https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/releases
- jbmorgado 10y ago
  So, the way Apple choose to solve the lack of extensions for their browser was to keep everything the same and charge 100$/year on top of that. Doesn't seem like a very smart business practice. In any case you are forgetting that although you can install extensions made outside Apple Dev. program, you can't update them because they aren't signed. You have to keep checking the extension page (like uBlock Origin), see when there is a new version, download the new version, and re-install it... all manually.
  - mitchty 10y ago
    > You have to keep checking the extension page (like uBlock Origin), see when there is a new version, download the new version, and re-install it... all manually. Or just write a script, which isn't that hard, outside of applescript. And the ability to install extensions outside of the dev program seems to invalidate that one cannot install extensions unless in the dev program. That they're not auto updated is a rather trivial thing to work around.
  - mitchty 10y ago
    Here, non manual updating of that plugin I spent all of 10 minutes on this morning due to a meeting: https://gist.github.com/mitchty/feb05fd4a98bdbe53bd66476f7dbe8fb https://gist.github.com/mitchty/feb05fd4a98bdbe53bd66476f7db... Its basically 10 lines, and the applescript is new to me. Keeping extensions up to date shouldn't be that hard. And now I've got a script for keeping that one extension up to date.

sctb 10y ago

The guidelines ask us to please not complain about downvotes. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13475739 and marked it off-topic.