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Wow, I never would have thought they could run better. I'm thinking of old titles, AoE II, Starcraft, etc. They have good ratings but I'm just wondering if it w

Wow, I never would have thought they could run better. I'm thinking of old titles, AoE II, Starcraft, etc. They have good ratings but I'm just wondering if it would be anywhere near as bad as when I used to run VMWare on my old Mac.

teach 10y ago
VMWare is an emulator. Wine is not an emulator.
- avisser 10y ago
  To be pedantic, VMWare is a virtual machine. It sure as hell doesn't emulate your x86 CPU.
  - wtallis 10y ago
    VMWare has historically used emulation for kernel/privileged code when the host CPU doesn't allow for direct virtualization. VMWare also emulates peripheral hardware. Wine doesn't emulate any hardware.
- bigbugbag 10y ago
  Isn't vmware virtualization ? despite it's tongue in cheek retro-acronymic name, wine is indeed an emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_seems_to_be_disagreement https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_see... Also before it changed its name for the current retro acronym WINE used to mean WINdows Emulator: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
  - teach 10y ago
    You're right that VMWare is more properly virtualization. However, Wine is not an emulator in any way like the way that word is used in technology.
amlib 10y ago
Both AoE II and Starcraft play totally fine now. But they used to run poorly on old wine releases from 6 years ago. Any software that is around 15 years or older has a really good chance of running, I would say even more than Windows 10. Newer DirectX 9 games, specially with the wine-staging patches, have a good chance of running, but nowhere near what current Windows can attain. Anything newer with DirectX 10, 11 or 12 is pretty much a train-wreck. Unless the game runs OpenGL or Vulkan, like DOOM 2016, which after removing the DRM and some patching from devs runs like a dream.
- kuschku 10y ago
  > Anything newer with DirectX 10, 11 or 12 is pretty much a train-wreck. Unless the game runs OpenGL or Vulkan, like DOOM 2016, which after removing the DRM and some patching from devs runs like a dream. Unless you run wine with the gallium-nine patches (which implements DirectX 9, 10, and parts of 11 natively on top of the gallium driver system, providing native DirectX performance on AMD and the open source nvidia drivers). Sadly, the wine maintainers prefer their ugly hacks for their DirectX implementation, so it’ll likely never be merged.
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eosrei 10y ago
WoW running on Windows@~28fps and Linux@~57fps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFBK1yNIxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFBK1yNIxE

teach 10y ago

VMWare is an emulator. Wine is not an emulator.

avisser 10y ago
To be pedantic, VMWare is a virtual machine. It sure as hell doesn't emulate your x86 CPU.
- wtallis 10y ago
  VMWare has historically used emulation for kernel/privileged code when the host CPU doesn't allow for direct virtualization. VMWare also emulates peripheral hardware. Wine doesn't emulate any hardware.
bigbugbag 10y ago
Isn't vmware virtualization ? despite it's tongue in cheek retro-acronymic name, wine is indeed an emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_seems_to_be_disagreement https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_see... Also before it changed its name for the current retro acronym WINE used to mean WINdows Emulator: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
- teach 10y ago
  You're right that VMWare is more properly virtualization. However, Wine is not an emulator in any way like the way that word is used in technology.

amlib 10y ago

Both AoE II and Starcraft play totally fine now. But they used to run poorly on old wine releases from 6 years ago. Any software that is around 15 years or older has a really good chance of running, I would say even more than Windows 10. Newer DirectX 9 games, specially with the wine-staging patches, have a good chance of running, but nowhere near what current Windows can attain. Anything newer with DirectX 10, 11 or 12 is pretty much a train-wreck. Unless the game runs OpenGL or Vulkan, like DOOM 2016, which after removing the DRM and some patching from devs runs like a dream.

kuschku 10y ago
> Anything newer with DirectX 10, 11 or 12 is pretty much a train-wreck. Unless the game runs OpenGL or Vulkan, like DOOM 2016, which after removing the DRM and some patching from devs runs like a dream. Unless you run wine with the gallium-nine patches (which implements DirectX 9, 10, and parts of 11 natively on top of the gallium driver system, providing native DirectX performance on AMD and the open source nvidia drivers). Sadly, the wine maintainers prefer their ugly hacks for their DirectX implementation, so it’ll likely never be merged.
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eosrei 10y ago

WoW running on Windows@~28fps and Linux@~57fps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFBK1yNIxE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFBK1yNIxE