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Any hope of playing Overwatch with this?

akjainaj 10y ago
Generally you should consider yourself lucky if you can run any old game. Even games that sold dozens of millions of copies and were released ten years ago are full of glitches, such as the early GTA series.
- madez 10y ago
  You are downvoted because you are wrong. I have made very good experiences with wine.
  - akjainaj 10y ago
    I am glad to hear that. On the other hand, I have had disastrous experiences running games with Wine.
  - artursapek 10y ago
    How much of a performance hit have you seen when running games, compared to just running them in Windows on the same machine?
    - Diederich 10y ago
      In most cases, I can't notice a difference in performance.
      - artursapek 10y ago
        Great to hear, thanks. I'll have to try out Wine soon.
    - viraptor 10y ago
      Depends on the game. Some run better on Windows, some on Wine. You need to check for specific titles with this kind of question. I've seen multiple sources claiming that CoD2 and WoW run with better FPS on Wine for example.
      - artursapek 10y ago
        Wow, I never would have thought they could run better. I'm thinking of old titles, AoE II, Starcraft, etc. They have good ratings but I'm just wondering if it would be anywhere near as bad as when I used to run VMWare on my old Mac.
        teach 10y ago
        VMWare is an emulator. Wine is not an emulator.
        avisser 10y ago
        To be pedantic, VMWare is a virtual machine. It sure as hell doesn't emulate your x86 CPU.
        wtallis 10y ago
        VMWare has historically used emulation for kernel/privileged code when the host CPU doesn't allow for direct virtualization. VMWare also emulates peripheral hardware. Wine doesn't emulate any hardware.
        bigbugbag 10y ago
        Isn't vmware virtualization ? despite it's tongue in cheek retro-acronymic name, wine is indeed an emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_seems_to_be_disagreement https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_see... Also before it changed its name for the current retro acronym WINE used to mean WINdows Emulator: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
        teach 10y ago
        You're right that VMWare is more properly virtualization. However, Wine is not an emulator in any way like the way that word is used in technology.
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    - EamonnMR 10y ago
      Critically, WINE outperforms VirtualBox, especially if you account for starting up (or the overhead of constantly running) a virtual windows machine. Being able to run a few apps without switching off your dual boot machine or firing up a vm is nice.
    - disconnected 10y ago
      Depends on the game. My experience is this: As a general rule, assume that there will always be a performance penalty. It will be good enough to be playable, but you'll notice the difference, and you'll have to adjust the graphics down one or two notches (go down from "Max" graphics settings to "Medium" or similar). If you can live with this, you're fine. Some games, in particular old games that don't rely much on 3D (I'm thinking of Age of Wonders right now), work really well, or well enough that you don't notice the difference. I have some games that are unplayable, but thankfully those are rare (or I am just lucky). X3, for example, is glitchy as hell and the performance is very bad. Some games are also inexplicably slow: there are some PopCap games (very casual and "lightweight" games) that are just unplayable, for some reason. However, with regards to being playable, I think that the graphical bugs will be the showstoppers, not performance.
    - TheCycoONE 10y ago
      On my laptop with an NVidia GTX 880m, under Windows 10 many DirectX 8 games run horrendously slow. Under wine these games run perfectly smooth as you would expect. It seems either Windows or NVIDIA did a lousy job of their DX8 compatibility.
- neilsimp1 10y ago
  For a lot of cases, I'm sure this is true. I have seen Starcraft II running in Wine smoothly and no issues though.
ronjouch 10y ago
AppDB is the canonical resource for this kind of question: https://appdb.winehq.org/ https://appdb.winehq.org/ -> Returns https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... , which says it's currently classified "Garbage" as of 2.0-rc2.
- NotSteve 10y ago
  Ah that's sad to see. Maybe someday
- floatboth 10y ago
  "crashes immediately upon launching" But there was a screenshot of the main menu on Wine! Maybe it was some experimental branch of Wine or something.
- aruggirello 10y ago
  BTW if you find you need multiple versions of Wine for better compatibility with different apps (and probably even if you don't), PlayOnLinux is also a great tool.
- aidenn0 10y ago
  In my experience, AppDB is mostly useless for answering this kind of question. It's right maybe 30-40% of the time with the rest being one of: 1) Says it doesn't work when it works fine on default settings 2) Says it works and I spend hours and hours messing with settings trying to get it to work before giving up. 3) Only reports a version of my application that is so out of date that I don't care. Granted I mostly use applications, not games, so perhaps it's better with games.
jononor 10y ago
In general, check the WineHQ appdb for how well (or not) something works. For Overwatch it is not looking good, https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...
darkengine 10y ago
You can reach the title screen in master, but it looks like that code won't make it into a relase until 2.1. Even then, it's still not playable.
shmerl 10y ago
Some progress is happening for it: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-also-showing-progress-towards-overwatch-working-in-a-future-wine-version.8715 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-...

Generally you should consider yourself lucky if you can run any old game. Even games that sold dozens of millions of copies and were released ten years ago are full of glitches, such as the early GTA series.

madez 10y ago
You are downvoted because you are wrong. I have made very good experiences with wine.
- akjainaj 10y ago
  I am glad to hear that. On the other hand, I have had disastrous experiences running games with Wine.
- artursapek 10y ago
  How much of a performance hit have you seen when running games, compared to just running them in Windows on the same machine?
  - Diederich 10y ago
    In most cases, I can't notice a difference in performance.
    - artursapek 10y ago
      Great to hear, thanks. I'll have to try out Wine soon.
  - viraptor 10y ago
    Depends on the game. Some run better on Windows, some on Wine. You need to check for specific titles with this kind of question. I've seen multiple sources claiming that CoD2 and WoW run with better FPS on Wine for example.
    - artursapek 10y ago
      Wow, I never would have thought they could run better. I'm thinking of old titles, AoE II, Starcraft, etc. They have good ratings but I'm just wondering if it would be anywhere near as bad as when I used to run VMWare on my old Mac.
      - teach 10y ago
        VMWare is an emulator. Wine is not an emulator.
        avisser 10y ago
        To be pedantic, VMWare is a virtual machine. It sure as hell doesn't emulate your x86 CPU.
        wtallis 10y ago
        VMWare has historically used emulation for kernel/privileged code when the host CPU doesn't allow for direct virtualization. VMWare also emulates peripheral hardware. Wine doesn't emulate any hardware.
        bigbugbag 10y ago
        Isn't vmware virtualization ? despite it's tongue in cheek retro-acronymic name, wine is indeed an emulator. https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_seems_to_be_disagreement https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Is_Wine_an_emulator.3F_There_see... Also before it changed its name for the current retro acronym WINE used to mean WINdows Emulator: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
        teach 10y ago
        You're right that VMWare is more properly virtualization. However, Wine is not an emulator in any way like the way that word is used in technology.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - EamonnMR 10y ago
    Critically, WINE outperforms VirtualBox, especially if you account for starting up (or the overhead of constantly running) a virtual windows machine. Being able to run a few apps without switching off your dual boot machine or firing up a vm is nice.
  - disconnected 10y ago
    Depends on the game. My experience is this: As a general rule, assume that there will always be a performance penalty. It will be good enough to be playable, but you'll notice the difference, and you'll have to adjust the graphics down one or two notches (go down from "Max" graphics settings to "Medium" or similar). If you can live with this, you're fine. Some games, in particular old games that don't rely much on 3D (I'm thinking of Age of Wonders right now), work really well, or well enough that you don't notice the difference. I have some games that are unplayable, but thankfully those are rare (or I am just lucky). X3, for example, is glitchy as hell and the performance is very bad. Some games are also inexplicably slow: there are some PopCap games (very casual and "lightweight" games) that are just unplayable, for some reason. However, with regards to being playable, I think that the graphical bugs will be the showstoppers, not performance.
  - TheCycoONE 10y ago
    On my laptop with an NVidia GTX 880m, under Windows 10 many DirectX 8 games run horrendously slow. Under wine these games run perfectly smooth as you would expect. It seems either Windows or NVIDIA did a lousy job of their DX8 compatibility.
neilsimp1 10y ago
For a lot of cases, I'm sure this is true. I have seen Starcraft II running in Wine smoothly and no issues though.

ronjouch 10y ago

AppDB is the canonical resource for this kind of question: https://appdb.winehq.org/ https://appdb.winehq.org/ -> Returns https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... , which says it's currently classified "Garbage" as of 2.0-rc2.

NotSteve 10y ago
Ah that's sad to see. Maybe someday
floatboth 10y ago
"crashes immediately upon launching" But there was a screenshot of the main menu on Wine! Maybe it was some experimental branch of Wine or something.
aruggirello 10y ago
BTW if you find you need multiple versions of Wine for better compatibility with different apps (and probably even if you don't), PlayOnLinux is also a great tool.
aidenn0 10y ago
In my experience, AppDB is mostly useless for answering this kind of question. It's right maybe 30-40% of the time with the rest being one of: 1) Says it doesn't work when it works fine on default settings 2) Says it works and I spend hours and hours messing with settings trying to get it to work before giving up. 3) Only reports a version of my application that is so out of date that I don't care. Granted I mostly use applications, not games, so perhaps it's better with games.

jononor 10y ago

In general, check the WineHQ appdb for how well (or not) something works. For Overwatch it is not looking good, https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17145 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio...

darkengine 10y ago

You can reach the title screen in master, but it looks like that code won't make it into a relase until 2.1. Even then, it's still not playable.

shmerl 10y ago

Some progress is happening for it: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-also-showing-progress-towards-overwatch-working-in-a-future-wine-version.8715 https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/wine-20-rc1-released-...