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Flac playback and more work on E10s, this is a pretty sweet release. Switching to Skia on linux for rendering is interesting too, I wonder how this affects ren

by stuaxo 10y ago

Flac playback and more work on E10s, this is a pretty sweet release. Switching to Skia on linux for rendering is interesting too, I wonder how this affects rendering performance and correctness vs cairo ?

wnevets 10y ago
I had to look up what E10s was. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis >In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s".
- Zecc 10y ago
  You probably got a more relevant result by searching for "E10s" than if you had searched for "Electrolysis", too.
  - wnevets 10y ago
    true but I've heard of Electrolysis in Firefox
- stuaxo 10y ago
  Heh, I'd have written a more explanatory post, but was busy at work.
majewsky 10y ago
So they use Skia now? I would have expected them to rather switch to WebRender.
- dblohm7 10y ago
  https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/Quantum_Render https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/Quantum_Render
- deleted 10y ago
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- cpeterso 10y ago
  Gecko was already using Skia on Windows and Mac, so enabling Skia on Linux helps consolidate the graphics code. WebRender is actively being ported to Gecko (the "Quantum Render" project), but it is a large effort and won't ship until late 2017. It's an all-or-nothing feature, so it can't be enabled incrementally.
  - shmerl 10y ago
    I wonder if Quantum plans to use Vulkan for rendering when it's available?
    - yazaddaruvala 10y ago
      It seems it will happen eventually, but not at this time[0]. There are likely higher priority changes which need to be made. [0] https://github.com/servo/webrender/issues/186 https://github.com/servo/webrender/issues/186
      - shmerl 10y ago
        Interesting, thanks!
sp332 10y ago
According to http://www.slideshare.net/SamsungOSG/duel-of-two-libraries-cairo-skia http://www.slideshare.net/SamsungOSG/duel-of-two-libraries-c... Skia is faster than Cairo in most benchmarks, but the settings are very fiddly and it's easy to get incorrect results if you're not careful. It's owned by Google though, so I'd expect it to be possible to get good results. Also it says the API is not stable? That sounds like a big downside. I hope the speed gains are worth it.
shmerl 10y ago
I was using Skia in Firefox on Linux for a while already. It works OK. I also force layers acceleration, since it still blacklists Mesa it seems.

by stuaxo 10y ago

wnevets 10y ago

I had to look up what E10s was. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis >In Mozilla documentation "Electrolysis" is often shorted as "e10s".

Zecc 10y ago
You probably got a more relevant result by searching for "E10s" than if you had searched for "Electrolysis", too.
- wnevets 10y ago
  true but I've heard of Electrolysis in Firefox
stuaxo 10y ago
Heh, I'd have written a more explanatory post, but was busy at work.

majewsky 10y ago

So they use Skia now? I would have expected them to rather switch to WebRender.

dblohm7 10y ago
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/Quantum_Render https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/Quantum_Render
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cpeterso 10y ago
Gecko was already using Skia on Windows and Mac, so enabling Skia on Linux helps consolidate the graphics code. WebRender is actively being ported to Gecko (the "Quantum Render" project), but it is a large effort and won't ship until late 2017. It's an all-or-nothing feature, so it can't be enabled incrementally.
- shmerl 10y ago
  I wonder if Quantum plans to use Vulkan for rendering when it's available?
  - yazaddaruvala 10y ago
    It seems it will happen eventually, but not at this time[0]. There are likely higher priority changes which need to be made. [0] https://github.com/servo/webrender/issues/186 https://github.com/servo/webrender/issues/186
    - shmerl 10y ago
      Interesting, thanks!

sp332 10y ago

According to http://www.slideshare.net/SamsungOSG/duel-of-two-libraries-cairo-skia http://www.slideshare.net/SamsungOSG/duel-of-two-libraries-c... Skia is faster than Cairo in most benchmarks, but the settings are very fiddly and it's easy to get incorrect results if you're not careful. It's owned by Google though, so I'd expect it to be possible to get good results. Also it says the API is not stable? That sounds like a big downside. I hope the speed gains are worth it.

shmerl 10y ago

I was using Skia in Firefox on Linux for a while already. It works OK. I also force layers acceleration, since it still blacklists Mesa it seems.