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They told me to write web applications using open and free standards, and I listened. Some other people called them up and begged to be chained to the oars of

They told me to write web applications using open and free standards, and I listened. Some other people called them up and begged to be chained to the oars of a proprietary slave galley, and they told them that if they wanted to be slaves they had to be Apple's slaves and not Adobe's slaves. Many of these people are happy and well-fed, so I have no quarrel with their choice. But I point out that it's their choice and Apple have offered each and every one of us the right to write free applications for iPhone and iPad.

tomlin 17y ago
> They told me to write web applications using open and free standards, and I listened. Too bad you can't write any apps (preferred method for accessing information on the iPhone) using an open and free standard. It's not just Adobe this effects, it effects any framework. Including the one built on free and open standards: http://www.phonegap.com/ http://www.phonegap.com/
- raganwald 17y ago
  What can I say, the servant's quarters are pretty sweet, whereas if you homestead you have to cut down your own trees and live in a rough log cabin. But it's YOUR log cabin!
- davidedicillo 17y ago
  You might want to double check your facts. PhoneGap won't be affected by 3.3.1
  - tomlin 17y ago
    It's hardly a fact. A few months ago it was a "fact" that you could publish using CS5. http://blogs.nitobi.com/jesse/2010/04/14/phonegap-and-the-apple-developer-license-agreement/ http://blogs.nitobi.com/jesse/2010/04/14/phonegap-and-the-ap... Tomorrow it could also be a "fact" that PhoneGap violates the same 3.3.1 clause. Truth is, the "facts" are flexible for Apple, and not so for the developers who dedicate several hours learning a specific approach/workflow.
    - davidedicillo 17y ago
      You can keep thinking like that. In Italy we say "di certo c'è solo la morte" (the only sure thing is death). When you base your business on somebody's platform you play with their rules and if they want to change them so be it. Apple doesn't force anybody to develop for iPhone, if you don't like it, plenty of other platforms. Apple, like every other company, is a business, and they make business decisions, the ones they think are better for their company and profits. Apple didn't force you to learn "a specific approach/workflow" using Titanium. Next time spend those hours learning the native tools they give you and you'll be fine.
      - tomlin 17y ago
        That's great rhetoric and philosophy, yet it's incredibly clear that the decision to eliminate other frameworks from compiling into iApps (the day of CS5 announcement, no less) is motivated by ignorance. Ignorance that costs developers unnecessarily. The argument that Flash kills the battery is without merit if Apple is pushing canvas+js, which uses as much if not more CPU (based on personal findings as well as written testimony from neutral developers; ie: not Apple PR nodes).
        tptacek 17y ago
        #1. Apple. #2. Users. #3. Developers. You are last on Apple's list of priorities. If you are irritated by that, I empathize. Go write for a different device.

tomlin 17y ago

> They told me to write web applications using open and free standards, and I listened. Too bad you can't write any apps (preferred method for accessing information on the iPhone) using an open and free standard. It's not just Adobe this effects, it effects any framework. Including the one built on free and open standards: http://www.phonegap.com/ http://www.phonegap.com/

raganwald 17y ago
What can I say, the servant's quarters are pretty sweet, whereas if you homestead you have to cut down your own trees and live in a rough log cabin. But it's YOUR log cabin!
davidedicillo 17y ago
You might want to double check your facts. PhoneGap won't be affected by 3.3.1
- tomlin 17y ago
  It's hardly a fact. A few months ago it was a "fact" that you could publish using CS5. http://blogs.nitobi.com/jesse/2010/04/14/phonegap-and-the-apple-developer-license-agreement/ http://blogs.nitobi.com/jesse/2010/04/14/phonegap-and-the-ap... Tomorrow it could also be a "fact" that PhoneGap violates the same 3.3.1 clause. Truth is, the "facts" are flexible for Apple, and not so for the developers who dedicate several hours learning a specific approach/workflow.
  - davidedicillo 17y ago
    You can keep thinking like that. In Italy we say "di certo c'è solo la morte" (the only sure thing is death). When you base your business on somebody's platform you play with their rules and if they want to change them so be it. Apple doesn't force anybody to develop for iPhone, if you don't like it, plenty of other platforms. Apple, like every other company, is a business, and they make business decisions, the ones they think are better for their company and profits. Apple didn't force you to learn "a specific approach/workflow" using Titanium. Next time spend those hours learning the native tools they give you and you'll be fine.
    - tomlin 17y ago
      That's great rhetoric and philosophy, yet it's incredibly clear that the decision to eliminate other frameworks from compiling into iApps (the day of CS5 announcement, no less) is motivated by ignorance. Ignorance that costs developers unnecessarily. The argument that Flash kills the battery is without merit if Apple is pushing canvas+js, which uses as much if not more CPU (based on personal findings as well as written testimony from neutral developers; ie: not Apple PR nodes).
      - tptacek 17y ago
        #1. Apple. #2. Users. #3. Developers. You are last on Apple's list of priorities. If you are irritated by that, I empathize. Go write for a different device.