3 ms·

The funny thing is that people are absolutely losing their minds now that Trump is in office which is completely overblown considering those same people freakin

The funny thing is that people are absolutely losing their minds now that Trump is in office which is completely overblown considering those same people freaking out didn't do much when Obama was in office, but somehow now feel the country is some emergency peril? Whatever. It's been in peril for the last eight years and probably eight years before that. That suddenly people just came to their senses is a little too late. Surely these same people HAD to believe at some point a Republican would be in the White House (I mean fuck people, in a two party system it's a 50/50 chance) and that person would probably want to expand mass surveillance, right? I'm sorry but I don't have much sympathy for people who thought electing a Democrat would absolve them of mass surveillance and protect their civil liberties.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
part of it was, that all previous Presidents were capable. They had policy experience; they were public servants for a large portion of their lifetimes. Now we have, for the first time in history, a rampant capitalist businessman of questionable history. His first acts are to jam the executive branch with others like himself (including friends and family). Its alarming at many levels, not just security.
- TallGuyShort 10y ago
  I'd be worried about him dropping tens of thousands of bombs on other countries without congressional declaration of war. Or about killing civilians with drones and a 90% collateral death rate. Or about getting picked via some system other than a direct popular vote. Or about expanding executive powers for broad surveillance. Or about accepting very questionable sources of financing with conflicts of interest. Trouble is, those are all things Democrats defended for their 2008 / 2012 president or their 2016 candidate. I don't like Trump, but the Democrats are being enormous hypocrites here. Silly games as usual.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  > part of it was, that all previous Presidents were capable. Is this true? I'll have to dig up the history on the previous 40 odd Presidents and see (I honestly don't know). Forgive me, but this just sounds like one of those made up things you read on the internet. Edit: Well if wikipedia can be believed: "1 President had neither served in the military nor elected public office before becoming president: Donald Trump. Trump, instead, was chairman of the Trump Organization, and a reality television star."
  - at-fates-hands 10y ago
    There were 14 presidents who never served: - John Adams - Thomas Jefferson - John Quincy Adams - Martin Van Buren - Millard Fillmore - Grover Cleveland - William Howard Taft - Woodrow Wilson - Warren G. Harding - Calvin Coolidge - Herbert Hoover - Franklin D. Roosevelt - Bill Clinton - Barack Obama And then 6 with the least amount of experience entering office: - Ulysses S. Grant - Grover Cleveland - Woodrow Wilson - Dwight Eisenhower - Barack Obama - Donald J. Trump You'll notice there were three on each list - Wilson, Cleveland and Obama. I'll let you decide on the merits of their administrations and how successful they were. Either way, your experience and military service are not clear indicators of how successful you'll be as a president. Harding, Wilson and Grant regularly make the list of the worst, while several non-military types like Clinton and Obama were two term presidents. Eisenhower is generally (no pun intended) regarded as a great president as well. Don't forget the founding fathers Jefferson and Adams are both seen as revolutionary hero's. Honestly when you look back, it's a crap shoot. EDIT: You forgot to mention that Trump did oversee over 500 business entities that were valued at north of $4 billion. His organization has interests in real estate development, investing, brokerage, sales and marketing, and property management. The company owns, operates, invests, and develops residential real estate, hotels, resorts, residential towers, and golf courses in different countries.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago

part of it was, that all previous Presidents were capable. They had policy experience; they were public servants for a large portion of their lifetimes. Now we have, for the first time in history, a rampant capitalist businessman of questionable history. His first acts are to jam the executive branch with others like himself (including friends and family). Its alarming at many levels, not just security.

TallGuyShort 10y ago
I'd be worried about him dropping tens of thousands of bombs on other countries without congressional declaration of war. Or about killing civilians with drones and a 90% collateral death rate. Or about getting picked via some system other than a direct popular vote. Or about expanding executive powers for broad surveillance. Or about accepting very questionable sources of financing with conflicts of interest. Trouble is, those are all things Democrats defended for their 2008 / 2012 president or their 2016 candidate. I don't like Trump, but the Democrats are being enormous hypocrites here. Silly games as usual.
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
> part of it was, that all previous Presidents were capable. Is this true? I'll have to dig up the history on the previous 40 odd Presidents and see (I honestly don't know). Forgive me, but this just sounds like one of those made up things you read on the internet. Edit: Well if wikipedia can be believed: "1 President had neither served in the military nor elected public office before becoming president: Donald Trump. Trump, instead, was chairman of the Trump Organization, and a reality television star."
- at-fates-hands 10y ago
  There were 14 presidents who never served: - John Adams - Thomas Jefferson - John Quincy Adams - Martin Van Buren - Millard Fillmore - Grover Cleveland - William Howard Taft - Woodrow Wilson - Warren G. Harding - Calvin Coolidge - Herbert Hoover - Franklin D. Roosevelt - Bill Clinton - Barack Obama And then 6 with the least amount of experience entering office: - Ulysses S. Grant - Grover Cleveland - Woodrow Wilson - Dwight Eisenhower - Barack Obama - Donald J. Trump You'll notice there were three on each list - Wilson, Cleveland and Obama. I'll let you decide on the merits of their administrations and how successful they were. Either way, your experience and military service are not clear indicators of how successful you'll be as a president. Harding, Wilson and Grant regularly make the list of the worst, while several non-military types like Clinton and Obama were two term presidents. Eisenhower is generally (no pun intended) regarded as a great president as well. Don't forget the founding fathers Jefferson and Adams are both seen as revolutionary hero's. Honestly when you look back, it's a crap shoot. EDIT: You forgot to mention that Trump did oversee over 500 business entities that were valued at north of $4 billion. His organization has interests in real estate development, investing, brokerage, sales and marketing, and property management. The company owns, operates, invests, and develops residential real estate, hotels, resorts, residential towers, and golf courses in different countries.