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Uh, submitters typically pay for all submissions, either in cash or in the requirement to sign over copyright to the journal. Open Access is a trend to combatt

Uh, submitters typically pay for all submissions, either in cash or in the requirement to sign over copyright to the journal. Open Access is a trend to combatting the walled garden model of scientific publishing, and is perfectly legitimate. Scammy journals are taking advantage of authors' needs to publish a lot of work in order to advance in their field. They are "open access" not because open access is a scam, but because the journal is a scam and it's hard to get people to pay for subscriptions to a scam journal.

Turing_Machine 10y ago
"Uh, submitters typically pay for all submissions, either in cash or in the requirement to sign over copyright to the journal." Yes. Even with "reputable" journals, the revenue flow often works like this: 1) The researcher does the research and writes the paper (usually at public expense). 2) The researcher submits the paper to a journal (often along with a hefty "publication fee"), where it is edited and peer-reviewed for "free" (i.e., also at public expense) by researchers at other institutions. 3) The researcher signs over the copyright to the journal. 4) The journal then charges other researchers, libraries, and the public (who have basically footed all the bills so far) another hefty fee if they want to read the paper. That's the standard model. Beall's list was of journals that were abusive even by those standards.
- jcranmer 10y ago
  I have never submitted a paper anywhere that had a publication fee. You generally pay to submit xor you pay to read, the and case is a distinct minority.
  - sseagull 10y ago
    Maybe it depends on the field? Every journal I've submitted to (chemistry/physical chemistry) only asked for money after peer-review and acceptance. And these are the well-respected journals in the field.
  - michaelhoffman 10y ago
    You can find a number of reputable journals that charge publication fees, yet still don't make the articles open access. Google ["page fees"], and you'll find a whole bunch of them.

Turing_Machine 10y ago

"Uh, submitters typically pay for all submissions, either in cash or in the requirement to sign over copyright to the journal." Yes. Even with "reputable" journals, the revenue flow often works like this: 1) The researcher does the research and writes the paper (usually at public expense). 2) The researcher submits the paper to a journal (often along with a hefty "publication fee"), where it is edited and peer-reviewed for "free" (i.e., also at public expense) by researchers at other institutions. 3) The researcher signs over the copyright to the journal. 4) The journal then charges other researchers, libraries, and the public (who have basically footed all the bills so far) another hefty fee if they want to read the paper. That's the standard model. Beall's list was of journals that were abusive even by those standards.

jcranmer 10y ago
I have never submitted a paper anywhere that had a publication fee. You generally pay to submit xor you pay to read, the and case is a distinct minority.
- sseagull 10y ago
  Maybe it depends on the field? Every journal I've submitted to (chemistry/physical chemistry) only asked for money after peer-review and acceptance. And these are the well-respected journals in the field.
- michaelhoffman 10y ago
  You can find a number of reputable journals that charge publication fees, yet still don't make the articles open access. Google ["page fees"], and you'll find a whole bunch of them.