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I don't typically respond to comments like this anywhere, but I think this kind of view is dangerous to have. And it's one the Rust community at large seems to

by Etzos 10y ago

I don't typically respond to comments like this anywhere, but I think this kind of view is dangerous to have. And it's one the Rust community at large seems to try to shy away from. This kind of attitude towards people trying out a new language is damaging to the person trying the new language and to people who are part of that languages community. The former because it will give them the notion that the community is hostile towards them and newcomers in general and the latter because it can enforce a dogmatic view of the language ("you do it our way or no way!" kind of feel). A language's ability to have people pick it up easily is important. In Rust's case there is definitely always going to be a bit of a hump for people to get over, but the concern put forth in this article seems like a legitimate one, but one the Rust community seems to be aware of. Acknowledging and helping people with these problems (while searching for a way to potentially avoid such a situation for the next newcomer) is important and it's critical that you not simply dismiss someone's opinion because they don't know or understand "the right way to do it" yet.

threatofrain 10y ago
For a language like Rust that puts all the pain up-front, I want to hear whether the pain is worth it. But someone who spends only a few days can't give you a weighing of whether the pain is worth it. I'm reluctant to even listen to someone's Amazon product opinion if they've only used it 2 days.
- Etzos 10y ago
  I certainly agree that an opinion piece like this has less weight than one which comes from someone who has spent a considerable amount of time with a language. However, saying that an opinion formed after only a few days is "worthless" is taking it too far. Plus if one completely ignores pieces like this then they are more likely to fall into a rut where pain points like this are forgotten or ignored completely. While the actual pain of getting used to the Rust way of doing things may be harder to mitigate perhaps there is some insight in opinions like the ones presented in the blog here which can lead to a way to help people get over that pain in a quicker/less painful way.

by Etzos 10y ago

threatofrain 10y ago

For a language like Rust that puts all the pain up-front, I want to hear whether the pain is worth it. But someone who spends only a few days can't give you a weighing of whether the pain is worth it. I'm reluctant to even listen to someone's Amazon product opinion if they've only used it 2 days.

Etzos 10y ago
I certainly agree that an opinion piece like this has less weight than one which comes from someone who has spent a considerable amount of time with a language. However, saying that an opinion formed after only a few days is "worthless" is taking it too far. Plus if one completely ignores pieces like this then they are more likely to fall into a rut where pain points like this are forgotten or ignored completely. While the actual pain of getting used to the Rust way of doing things may be harder to mitigate perhaps there is some insight in opinions like the ones presented in the blog here which can lead to a way to help people get over that pain in a quicker/less painful way.