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I'm not sure sure it'll be an overwhelming majority - this is a great opportunity for constituents to write to their MPs to appeal for them to vote in favour of

I'm not sure sure it'll be an overwhelming majority - this is a great opportunity for constituents to write to their MPs to appeal for them to vote in favour of staying in the union. There was a lot of remorse, particularly when the NHS promises turned out to be lies.

grabcocque 10y ago
TBF there's been zero polling evidence for this. This is just wishful thinking.
- seanhandley 10y ago
  Tell that to The Economist http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-c...
djmobley 10y ago
> There was a lot of remorse, particularly when the NHS promises turned out to be lies. Poll after poll has shown people who voted leave are happy. People who voted remain are unhappy.
- seanhandley 10y ago
  Tell that to The Economist http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-c...
  - djmobley 10y ago
    Why have you linked me to an article which states ~90% of leave voters do not regret their vote?
- mattcoles 10y ago
  Could that possibly be because people are happy when their side 'wins'? And conversely are unhappy when they 'lose'.
richmarr 10y ago
>... write to their MPs By all means try, but writing to your MP to ask them to put their career on the line by angering Brexit voters & party leadership is a tough sell. My MP (Stephen Hammond) has made it very clear that he'd rather toe the party line despite opposing Brexit. I don't mean to disparage, I just think letters are a lost cause. Perhaps there are alternative approaches?
- adamjc 10y ago
  This is true for almost every MP in the UK. The whip system heavily discourages voting against the party, regardless of what the constituents would prefer. The best you'll see are MPs 'abstaining' (i.e. not showing up).
PJDK 10y ago
The NHS promise is a funny one to latch onto. We've not left the EU yet so how can the promise be broken? Now you might think it's likely to be broken in a couple of years (and you're probably right) but still. Not that anyone making the "promise" had any authority to do so.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > We've not left the EU yet so how can the promise be broken? Because all of the people making the claim backtracked the day after the result.
  - PJDK 10y ago
    I think what they said was "we can't actually commit to this because we're not the government". Given the sum isn't actually massive and NHS spending is likely to increase anyhow it may very well turn out to have happened anyway a year or two after Brexit.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      NHS spending has decreased, and it's likely to keep decreasing. That's what sustainability and transformation plans are - cuts to provision of service. In recent years we've seen a reduction of 1 in 16 acute beds, and 1 in 5 MH beds. This would be ok if we'd seen an increase in funding for community services or for care services, but they've been cut too.
      - PJDK 10y ago
        Sorry but that's just not true. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-... The specific cuts you mention may have happened, but money going in in real terms has increased. How much is the "right" amount to spend on health care is probably for a different thread.
        DanBC 10y ago

grabcocque 10y ago

TBF there's been zero polling evidence for this. This is just wishful thinking.

seanhandley 10y ago
Tell that to The Economist http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-c...

djmobley 10y ago

> There was a lot of remorse, particularly when the NHS promises turned out to be lies. Poll after poll has shown people who voted leave are happy. People who voted remain are unhappy.

seanhandley 10y ago
Tell that to The Economist http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-c...
- djmobley 10y ago
  Why have you linked me to an article which states ~90% of leave voters do not regret their vote?
mattcoles 10y ago
Could that possibly be because people are happy when their side 'wins'? And conversely are unhappy when they 'lose'.

richmarr 10y ago

>... write to their MPs By all means try, but writing to your MP to ask them to put their career on the line by angering Brexit voters & party leadership is a tough sell. My MP (Stephen Hammond) has made it very clear that he'd rather toe the party line despite opposing Brexit. I don't mean to disparage, I just think letters are a lost cause. Perhaps there are alternative approaches?

adamjc 10y ago
This is true for almost every MP in the UK. The whip system heavily discourages voting against the party, regardless of what the constituents would prefer. The best you'll see are MPs 'abstaining' (i.e. not showing up).

PJDK 10y ago

The NHS promise is a funny one to latch onto. We've not left the EU yet so how can the promise be broken? Now you might think it's likely to be broken in a couple of years (and you're probably right) but still. Not that anyone making the "promise" had any authority to do so.

DanBC 10y ago
> We've not left the EU yet so how can the promise be broken? Because all of the people making the claim backtracked the day after the result.
- PJDK 10y ago
  I think what they said was "we can't actually commit to this because we're not the government". Given the sum isn't actually massive and NHS spending is likely to increase anyhow it may very well turn out to have happened anyway a year or two after Brexit.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    NHS spending has decreased, and it's likely to keep decreasing. That's what sustainability and transformation plans are - cuts to provision of service. In recent years we've seen a reduction of 1 in 16 acute beds, and 1 in 5 MH beds. This would be ok if we'd seen an increase in funding for community services or for care services, but they've been cut too.
    - PJDK 10y ago
      Sorry but that's just not true. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-... The specific cuts you mention may have happened, but money going in in real terms has increased. How much is the "right" amount to spend on health care is probably for a different thread.
      - DanBC 10y ago