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> I'm afraid of it getting dirty, them not operating it properly and causing mechanical damage that won't be seen for weeks. With level 5; this doesn't happen

> I'm afraid of it getting dirty, them not operating it properly and causing mechanical damage that won't be seen for weeks. With level 5; this doesn't happen.

developer2 10y ago
Level 5 doesn't mean the driver can't take over - just that they should never have to. The driver will always have the ability to take manual control; something that won't change within our lifetimes. Even if a company manages to legally release a "level 5" car in the next 50 years, it will really only be "level 4.5" - 100% automation under all conditions isn't in the cards for the very near future. It astounds me how naive and over-optimistic we are seeing enthusiasts of self-driving cars behave. The industry is in its infancy, but people talk about it like our roads have been exclusively filled with them for decades, and all challenges and bugs have been conquered. Surely every person who talks about these cars like it's a solved domain can't all be prospecting, bandwagon investors.
- sanderjd 10y ago
  Can you speak more to why you're so confident that this won't change within our lifetimes? I don't know how old you are, but my remaining lifetime is a pretty long time. It would have been impossible to predict the technological and legal conditions of today an equivalent number of years in the past. And I doubt we've gotten much better at predicting future advances.
- kagamine 10y ago
  > and bugs have been conquered I can't get a bug free desktop OS after 40 years of development, what chance a fully automated vehicle?
saosebastiao 10y ago
So level 5 is supposed to magically stop people from barfing in the back seat, getting things accidentally wedged in door and trunk hinges, smearing dog poo on the carpets or scratching up seats with paws, opening car doors into traffic, or lighting up a massive doobie while riding? Level 5 is a fantasy world as it is, let's not pretend it can do even more than is described.
- stevep98 10y ago
  Yes. It means that people who do those things often get their account suspended. If an Automated Uber arrives in an unsatisfactory condition, you could just reject it and send it back for maintenance/cleaning, and a new one will be on its way.
  - saosebastiao 10y ago
    You can do all of that today in non-magical normal Ubers, and yet it still happens.
  - smileysteve 10y ago
    Or they get charged significantly extra for it.
- smileysteve 10y ago
  I was focusing on "operating it properly"

> I'm afraid of it getting dirty, them not operating it properly and causing mechanical damage that won't be seen for weeks. With level 5; this doesn't happen.

developer2 10y ago

Level 5 doesn't mean the driver can't take over - just that they should never have to. The driver will always have the ability to take manual control; something that won't change within our lifetimes. Even if a company manages to legally release a "level 5" car in the next 50 years, it will really only be "level 4.5" - 100% automation under all conditions isn't in the cards for the very near future. It astounds me how naive and over-optimistic we are seeing enthusiasts of self-driving cars behave. The industry is in its infancy, but people talk about it like our roads have been exclusively filled with them for decades, and all challenges and bugs have been conquered. Surely every person who talks about these cars like it's a solved domain can't all be prospecting, bandwagon investors.

sanderjd 10y ago
Can you speak more to why you're so confident that this won't change within our lifetimes? I don't know how old you are, but my remaining lifetime is a pretty long time. It would have been impossible to predict the technological and legal conditions of today an equivalent number of years in the past. And I doubt we've gotten much better at predicting future advances.
kagamine 10y ago
> and bugs have been conquered I can't get a bug free desktop OS after 40 years of development, what chance a fully automated vehicle?

saosebastiao 10y ago

So level 5 is supposed to magically stop people from barfing in the back seat, getting things accidentally wedged in door and trunk hinges, smearing dog poo on the carpets or scratching up seats with paws, opening car doors into traffic, or lighting up a massive doobie while riding? Level 5 is a fantasy world as it is, let's not pretend it can do even more than is described.

stevep98 10y ago
Yes. It means that people who do those things often get their account suspended. If an Automated Uber arrives in an unsatisfactory condition, you could just reject it and send it back for maintenance/cleaning, and a new one will be on its way.
- saosebastiao 10y ago
  You can do all of that today in non-magical normal Ubers, and yet it still happens.
- smileysteve 10y ago
  Or they get charged significantly extra for it.
smileysteve 10y ago
I was focusing on "operating it properly"