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Holy crap. In some sense it is really surprising there's only been one fatality. Just as well tomorrow there might be 10 more if people really do such stuff...

imh 10y ago
There have been more than just the one fatality. I know of at least one other, but who knows if that's the extent. And there have probably been plenty of crashes and injuries.
- unityByFreedom 10y ago
  > There have been more than just the one fatality. I know of at least one other, but who knows if that's the extent. And there have probably been plenty of crashes and injuries. Yup. The Tesla accident in Hong Kong (or Heibei province?) [1] seems like another likely case. We only know about that because the driver had a dashcam that saved the video, and the parents found a lawyer to sue. Tesla claims they don't have data on whether or not autopilot was active at the time of the crash. Yet the dashcam survived.. Tesla and others need some regulation with teeth. They should be required to have black-box style data recorders. They should also be required to report accidents involving autopilot. Currently, car companies are not required to report accident rates involving autonomous-driving modes in most states. I think only California and a couple others require it. [1] https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot-crash-emerges-model-s-hits-a-streetsweeper-truck-caught-on-dashcam/ https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot...
  - aedron 10y ago
    Tesla: > Because of the damage caused by the collision, the car was physically incapable of transmitting log data to our servers and we therefore have no way of knowing whether or not Autopilot was engaged at the time of the crash. Well that is even more troubling. Looking past the suspicious lack of logs from the car in the incident, it should be a rock hard lose-your-business-license requirement for any kind of autonomy in cars, that the log data is preserved in accidents. I can imagine very few scenarios where a black box type of device could not be salvaged from a wrecked car. EDIT: From the wording, it seems like it may actually have been the 'transmitting' of the data that was impossible. That would make things even worse, if Tesla could not even be bothered to requisition the car data (through legal means if necessary) in a case where a bug in their software may have killed someone.

imh 10y ago

There have been more than just the one fatality. I know of at least one other, but who knows if that's the extent. And there have probably been plenty of crashes and injuries.

unityByFreedom 10y ago
> There have been more than just the one fatality. I know of at least one other, but who knows if that's the extent. And there have probably been plenty of crashes and injuries. Yup. The Tesla accident in Hong Kong (or Heibei province?) [1] seems like another likely case. We only know about that because the driver had a dashcam that saved the video, and the parents found a lawyer to sue. Tesla claims they don't have data on whether or not autopilot was active at the time of the crash. Yet the dashcam survived.. Tesla and others need some regulation with teeth. They should be required to have black-box style data recorders. They should also be required to report accidents involving autopilot. Currently, car companies are not required to report accident rates involving autonomous-driving modes in most states. I think only California and a couple others require it. [1] https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot-crash-emerges-model-s-hits-a-streetsweeper-truck-caught-on-dashcam/ https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot...
- aedron 10y ago
  Tesla: > Because of the damage caused by the collision, the car was physically incapable of transmitting log data to our servers and we therefore have no way of knowing whether or not Autopilot was engaged at the time of the crash. Well that is even more troubling. Looking past the suspicious lack of logs from the car in the incident, it should be a rock hard lose-your-business-license requirement for any kind of autonomy in cars, that the log data is preserved in accidents. I can imagine very few scenarios where a black box type of device could not be salvaged from a wrecked car. EDIT: From the wording, it seems like it may actually have been the 'transmitting' of the data that was impossible. That would make things even worse, if Tesla could not even be bothered to requisition the car data (through legal means if necessary) in a case where a bug in their software may have killed someone.