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There is a cost to the existing world order. Right now it costs on average over $40,000 a year to put someone in jail in America -- for breaking the social con
by chillwaves 10y ago
There is a cost to the existing world order. Right now it costs on average over $40,000 a year to put someone in jail in America -- for breaking the social contract. It seems fair to me that the rich, in return for being the few who own so much, pay for someone to live and not die in the streets if they do not want to work (a pittance).
We have the resources as a society, so scarcity is not a compelling retort. Secondly, the resources are being used anyway (welfare, prison, police), arguably inefficiently and can be done without needless suffering and waste of human potential.
If the owner class is going to close access to resources we need to live, it is the right of the worker class to break the social order. Your assertion that people who recognize this hierarchy of power as "childish" seems unfair. And the real reason why basic income is untenable for the rich is that it gives too much negotiating power to those who work for a living, because they would not die in the streets if they were to opt out. That reality greatly undermines any notion of freedom in the economic sense. Time is money and it seems the rich get to take both from the poor with impunity.
edit since I can't reply: Did you read my comment? Somehow you are under the strange perception that the rich people, who own literally almost everything are at the worse end of the deal wrt to subsidizing sustenance living for the poor. To answer your question: anyone can grow the food, but no one will be forced to.
Does it occur to you that the owners are actually doing nothing (if they choose) while everyone else grows THEIR food and provides an endless list of goods and services? I see you don't have a problem with this system, which is strange since you are so insistent that everyone must work for their food.
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- literallycancer 10y ago>it is the right of the worker class to break the social order This line of reasoning isn't very useful, since it doesn't matter what is "right" or "just", only what's realistic or at least possible. The "worker class" can't break the social order, or at least not in a way that improves their situation.
- SomeStupidPoint 10y agoSure they can. Torches, gasoline, and guns do wonders to motivate social change.
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- literallycancer 10y agoAnd then everyone's quality of life will drop, including the people who initiated the changes.
- cmdrfred 10y agoSo sure? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storming_of_the_Bastille https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storming_of_the_Bastille https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
- chillwaves 10y agoIt would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the rest of what I wrote, specifically why owners are exempt from working for what they consume while consuming so much.
- gaius 10y agoThe "worker class" can't break the social order, or at least not in a way that improves their situation. It's far too soon to say how Brexit and Trump will ultimately play out. Scrapping the TPP for example (the TTIP already having been killed by the same forces).