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Wait and see what, exactly? A self-proclamed "war" with the media, and taking zero questions on day 1 of the administration is enough for me. The best predictor

Wait and see what, exactly? A self-proclamed "war" with the media, and taking zero questions on day 1 of the administration is enough for me. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. That makes me disinclined to "wait and see".

threeseed 10y ago
Not sure if everyone here actually saw all of the Sunday press shows. But it's far more than just your every day "war with the media" that other Presidents have gone through. Every White House reporter including Hume and Wallace from Fox News have said that what Spicer/Trump did was unprecedented in all their years of covering administrations. To have a Press Secretary berate the press corp and demand they fall in line whilst simultaneously flat out lying is pretty extraordinary and very concerning. It's something straight out of 1984 and has Bannon's fingerprints all over it. Video from Fox News Sunday panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsV305yfG2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsV305yfG2o
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Every White House reporter including Hume and Wallace from Fox News have said that what Spicer/Trump did was unprecedented in all their years of covering administrations. As, incidentally, have former Press Secretaries of both parties.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    > As, incidentally, have former Press Secretaries of both parties. That's part of what gets me, really. If this were another administration, people would celebrate this as something progressive and new. However, it's Trump, so it must automatically be terrible, regardless of the reasons put forth for this thing (which sound good and "progressive", honestly). People aren't willing to even give it a chance before condemning it. Of course people should be skeptical, especially since previous behavior has clearly lent reason to be skeptical... however, we shouldn't become jaded and start to view everything new from this administration as automatically bad or full of ulterior motives.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > If this were another administration, people would celebrate this as something progressive and new. No, berating the press corps for failing to fall in line while spouting outright lies would not be seen as "progressive" under a different President. While this administration's manifestation has been correctly been called unprecedented in modern American history, that's a matter of degree; a lesser form was seen in the waning days of the Nixon Administration as the siege mentality during the Watergate scandal had taken hold, and that wasn't seen as progressive either. (Maybe you meant this as a comment on the Skype seats, but if so it has nothing to do with the post you respond see to or the part you quoted.)
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iwlbebnd 10y ago
Because the traditional media has been completely unbias and fair in their coverage so far? Edit: There are numerous examples of media bias and actual evidence of media collusion with Clinton and the DMC against Trump. What sort of bizarro world do we live in that people would rather make the truth disappear than acknowledge it? http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/nbc-fact-check-trump-clinton-acid-wash-bleachbit-conspiracy-mainstream-media-lie/ http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/nbc-fact-check-trump-clinton-a...
- pavlov 10y ago
  I downvoted you because you're a new poster who trades in cookie-cutter self-victimizing political arguments heard a million times before. The bar needs to be higher for new posters, or HN will drown in this.
  - iwlbebnd 10y ago
    If anyone is violating HN guidelines it is you. We have evidence of media collusion with the Democratic party, but you rather engage in name calling and shooting of the messenger.
    - sctb 10y ago
      This account has been posting a lot of political and ideological comments, and accounts that do that primarily are abusing the site. We're not here to do battle on such grounds, but rather to indulge our intellectual curiosity.
      - iwlbebnd 10y ago
        Apparently challenging the uncritical liberal hive mind doesn't indulge your intellectual curiosity. It's better to just shout down views that make you uncomfortable. Didn't realize HN was intended to be a safe space. And no substantive response to the clear evidence of media collusion has been given. Instead I've been attacked personally, flagged, and voted down so as to disappear. Edit: Try getting not your high horse. The OP of this thread is dead, and what exactly did that comment do to generate so much hate besides suggest this move of including more media wasn't the end of world?
tdkl 10y ago
> The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Sounds very scientific. Except when change happens.
- lomnakkus 10y ago
  > Sounds very scientific. Except when change happens. But that's the point, isn't it? The "best predictor" bit means that the "Except" clause usually doesn't happen.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    So, why then add 4 Skype seats if the course is to be stayed?
    - tossracct666 10y ago
      4 Skype seats means Trump and his cadre are turning over a new leaf?
- tossracct666 10y ago
  Inductive reasoning is pretty important to science. Adding Skype seats is insufficient to suggest Trump is changing his spots. People have been saying he will stop behaving like a petulant child when he was elected. Didn't happen. Then when he officially took over. Still not happening. Their entire campaign was full of moments of tu qoque, ad hominems, and now alternate facts. But yeah, they added a few Skype seats. Sure fire sign Trump is changing for the better

threeseed 10y ago

Not sure if everyone here actually saw all of the Sunday press shows. But it's far more than just your every day "war with the media" that other Presidents have gone through. Every White House reporter including Hume and Wallace from Fox News have said that what Spicer/Trump did was unprecedented in all their years of covering administrations. To have a Press Secretary berate the press corp and demand they fall in line whilst simultaneously flat out lying is pretty extraordinary and very concerning. It's something straight out of 1984 and has Bannon's fingerprints all over it. Video from Fox News Sunday panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsV305yfG2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsV305yfG2o

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Every White House reporter including Hume and Wallace from Fox News have said that what Spicer/Trump did was unprecedented in all their years of covering administrations. As, incidentally, have former Press Secretaries of both parties.
- Alupis 10y ago
  > As, incidentally, have former Press Secretaries of both parties. That's part of what gets me, really. If this were another administration, people would celebrate this as something progressive and new. However, it's Trump, so it must automatically be terrible, regardless of the reasons put forth for this thing (which sound good and "progressive", honestly). People aren't willing to even give it a chance before condemning it. Of course people should be skeptical, especially since previous behavior has clearly lent reason to be skeptical... however, we shouldn't become jaded and start to view everything new from this administration as automatically bad or full of ulterior motives.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > If this were another administration, people would celebrate this as something progressive and new. No, berating the press corps for failing to fall in line while spouting outright lies would not be seen as "progressive" under a different President. While this administration's manifestation has been correctly been called unprecedented in modern American history, that's a matter of degree; a lesser form was seen in the waning days of the Nixon Administration as the siege mentality during the Watergate scandal had taken hold, and that wasn't seen as progressive either. (Maybe you meant this as a comment on the Skype seats, but if so it has nothing to do with the post you respond see to or the part you quoted.)

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iwlbebnd 10y ago

Because the traditional media has been completely unbias and fair in their coverage so far? Edit: There are numerous examples of media bias and actual evidence of media collusion with Clinton and the DMC against Trump. What sort of bizarro world do we live in that people would rather make the truth disappear than acknowledge it? http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/nbc-fact-check-trump-clinton-acid-wash-bleachbit-conspiracy-mainstream-media-lie/ http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/nbc-fact-check-trump-clinton-a...

pavlov 10y ago
I downvoted you because you're a new poster who trades in cookie-cutter self-victimizing political arguments heard a million times before. The bar needs to be higher for new posters, or HN will drown in this.
- iwlbebnd 10y ago
  If anyone is violating HN guidelines it is you. We have evidence of media collusion with the Democratic party, but you rather engage in name calling and shooting of the messenger.
  - sctb 10y ago
    This account has been posting a lot of political and ideological comments, and accounts that do that primarily are abusing the site. We're not here to do battle on such grounds, but rather to indulge our intellectual curiosity.
    - iwlbebnd 10y ago
      Apparently challenging the uncritical liberal hive mind doesn't indulge your intellectual curiosity. It's better to just shout down views that make you uncomfortable. Didn't realize HN was intended to be a safe space. And no substantive response to the clear evidence of media collusion has been given. Instead I've been attacked personally, flagged, and voted down so as to disappear. Edit: Try getting not your high horse. The OP of this thread is dead, and what exactly did that comment do to generate so much hate besides suggest this move of including more media wasn't the end of world?

tdkl 10y ago

> The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Sounds very scientific. Except when change happens.

lomnakkus 10y ago
> Sounds very scientific. Except when change happens. But that's the point, isn't it? The "best predictor" bit means that the "Except" clause usually doesn't happen.
- Alupis 10y ago
  So, why then add 4 Skype seats if the course is to be stayed?
  - tossracct666 10y ago
    4 Skype seats means Trump and his cadre are turning over a new leaf?
tossracct666 10y ago
Inductive reasoning is pretty important to science. Adding Skype seats is insufficient to suggest Trump is changing his spots. People have been saying he will stop behaving like a petulant child when he was elected. Didn't happen. Then when he officially took over. Still not happening. Their entire campaign was full of moments of tu qoque, ad hominems, and now alternate facts. But yeah, they added a few Skype seats. Sure fire sign Trump is changing for the better