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Since so-called "migrant farm workers" tend to be there illegally, what society owes them is a hearty punishment followed by a deportation. Or if you're talkin
by loafa 10y ago
Since so-called "migrant farm workers" tend to be there illegally, what society owes them is a hearty punishment followed by a deportation.
Or if you're talking about the legal migrant farm workers, then what society owes them is the deportation of the illegals, so that they no longer have to compete on price with an unlimited number of people who shouldn't be there.
It's no surprise that unenforced immigration laws plus an open border to a third-world country drives down unskilled labour prices.
Heck, once we get rid of the illegals we may find that Uber prices go up too. The US doesn't really have an oversupply of unskilled labour.
- burkaman 10y agoWhat do you mean by "hearty punishment"?
- loafa 10y agoI don't really want to derail the conversation into the virtues of corporal punishment, but I'm a big fan of that as a cost-effective method that everyone can fear equally. (Prison is, perversely, more pleasant for the sort of person that usually goes to prison than for the sort of person who doesn't.) It can't just be "deportation", though. The penalty for stealing a car isn't just that you have to give the car back. The punishment for being found in the country illegally has to be severe enough that people are actually discouraged from making the attempt (or to deport themselves if they're there at the moment). In Australia, our illegal immigrants tend to wind up spending a long time in an immigration detention centre while awaiting trial, which is strictly speaking an administrative need but winds up working as a pretty good punishment. I'm not sure if this scales up to the American system though as you have a lot more people you're gonna need to process.
- woofyman 10y agoIf you really wanted to stop undocumented workers, punish the employers. One Trump cabinet pick recently fired a house hold employee because of their status. That sort of thing use to be disqualifying. Not any more.
- loafa 10y agoThat's a good start, we need to work both ends of the problem. Mind you, since the government doesn't have any reliable means of determining whether somebody is in the country legally or not I'm not sure how we can hold employers responsible either. The only way we could hold employers responsible is if there's a reliable system which allows people to check on others' immigration status at any time. And is that what we want?
- lanaius 10y agoThe US has plenty of existing immigration detention centers: https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities https://www.ice.gov/detention-facilities.
- loafa 10y agoNot really big enough for millions of people, though. And I'd love to see how the already-hysterical US media would respond to the sudden building of prison camps big enough for millions.
- pavel_lishin 10y agoHow do you think they'd respond to government-sanctioned beatings as punishment?
- mratzloff 10y agoUm, your solution to illegal immigration is beating people?
- pavel_lishin 10y ago> I'm a big fan of [corporal punishment] as a cost-effective method that everyone can fear equally. But not everyone can fear it equally. A pregnant woman would fear it much more; so would someone older, perhaps with bad joints, or other health problems.
- 77pt77 10y ago> A pregnant woman would fear it much more But here's the thing, in his example (Singapore) women are not caned at all, pregnant or not.
- pavel_lishin 10y agoI wonder what punishment he'd suggest for an illegal immigrant migrant worker who's a woman.