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> Soaring housing costs, urban violence, shifting ethnic patterns and an increase in childless adults living together may be turning San Francisco, which the Ch

> Soaring housing costs, urban violence, shifting ethnic patterns and an increase in childless adults living together may be turning San Francisco, which the Chamber of Commerce likes to call ''everybody's favorite city,'' into a haven for the young, the old, the wealthy and the childless. Love reading posts of old articles from the 80s and 90s. It's like nothing much has changed over the past 30 or so years. Except the average housing price has gone up from ~$100,000 to ~$1,000,000 (you know, cuz of inflation and stuff...)

pmiller2 10y ago
Since you quoted the one sentence that made me scratch my head, I'll glom onto it here. How are any of those things good for young people?
- AndrewUnmuted 10y ago
  I think it's more that they the bad for people with children.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  The young who are childless but still have a high income. That implies, though, that if/when they have kids, they're going to find San Francisco to be less attractive...
  - pmiller2 10y ago
    Sure, but most young people don't have a high income.
    - jbpetersen 10y ago
      It's a lot more likely that they do when you precondition on them living in SF.
      - pmiller2 10y ago
        Doesn't that apply equally to everybody?
  - ghaff 10y ago
    Of course, "when people have kids" is frequently the point where many people living in just about any city in the country (or at least a denser part of an urban core) pick up and move to the suburbs however reluctantly. For reasons of better public schools, more space, lower crime, etc.
ch4s3 10y ago
That and the violent crime rate is less than half of what it was then. *edit spelling
- freyir 10y ago
  > the violent crime rate is less than half of what it was then. And yet it's still in the bottom 2% of U.S. cities when ranked by crime.
paps 10y ago
In a similar vein there's this book that was mentionned in YC's winter reading list: https://www.amazon.com/Pandaemonium-Coming-Machine-Contemporary-Observers/dp/1848315856 https://www.amazon.com/Pandaemonium-Coming-Machine-Contempor... I haven't received it yet but it seems promising

pmiller2 10y ago

Since you quoted the one sentence that made me scratch my head, I'll glom onto it here. How are any of those things good for young people?

AndrewUnmuted 10y ago
I think it's more that they the bad for people with children.
AnimalMuppet 10y ago
The young who are childless but still have a high income. That implies, though, that if/when they have kids, they're going to find San Francisco to be less attractive...
- pmiller2 10y ago
  Sure, but most young people don't have a high income.
  - jbpetersen 10y ago
    It's a lot more likely that they do when you precondition on them living in SF.
    - pmiller2 10y ago
      Doesn't that apply equally to everybody?
- ghaff 10y ago
  Of course, "when people have kids" is frequently the point where many people living in just about any city in the country (or at least a denser part of an urban core) pick up and move to the suburbs however reluctantly. For reasons of better public schools, more space, lower crime, etc.

ch4s3 10y ago

That and the violent crime rate is less than half of what it was then. *edit spelling

freyir 10y ago
> the violent crime rate is less than half of what it was then. And yet it's still in the bottom 2% of U.S. cities when ranked by crime.

paps 10y ago

In a similar vein there's this book that was mentionned in YC's winter reading list: https://www.amazon.com/Pandaemonium-Coming-Machine-Contemporary-Observers/dp/1848315856 https://www.amazon.com/Pandaemonium-Coming-Machine-Contempor... I haven't received it yet but it seems promising