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Well I'm not an employer, but I would probably hire the person that can fit to the schedule that I prefer. Different companies have different needs - some prefe

Well I'm not an employer, but I would probably hire the person that can fit to the schedule that I prefer. Different companies have different needs - some prefer a team that spans an entire day, some prefer everyone to be online at the same time. That really is up to the employer. My argument was totally not against remote work, and I agree with all the points against open-plan offices. However, changing the time you go to bed and wake up is so trivially simple that it just made the author seem obstructive.

madez 10y ago
That "changing the time you go to bed and wake up is trivially simple" is an assumption of yours, and it is wrong in general.
- midgetjones 10y ago
  It's an assumption based on my own experience, sure. But I'd like to see any evidence to the contrary if I'm that wrong.
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  - MaulingMonkey 10y ago
    Several counter-ancedata to your ancedata isn't evidence? EDIT, in case it isn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia > Between 10% and 30% of adults have insomnia at any given point in time and up to half of people have insomnia in a given year.[3][5][11] About 6% of people have insomnia that is not due to another problem and lasts for more than a month.[3] People over the age of 65 are affected more often than younger people.[7] Females are more often affected than males.[5] Descriptions of insomnia occur at least as far back as ancient Greece.[12] Just medicate the problem, right? > While sleeping pills may help, they are associated with injuries, dementia, and addiction.[8][9] Medications are not recommended for more than four or five weeks.[9] The effectiveness and safety of alternative medicine is unclear.[8][9] Oh. Hmm.
    - midgetjones 10y ago
      Well I'm glad that I'm not wrong "in general" then. I would never dispute that insomnia is a real problem for people. But "I simply can't come in at 9am, I'm a night owl!" is the attitude I took exception to. I'm resisting the urge to put all the disagreement with my point down to crabbiness from lack of sleep.
      - cncool 10y ago
        >>"I simply can't come in at 9am, I'm a night owl!" Do you take exception to that statement if it came from someone with Delayed sleep phase disorder? [1] " According Cary Cooper, a psychologist and professor at Lancaster University Management School, when people who have DSPS wake up early for work, they become sleep deprived which causes them to be less efficient, innovative, and creative at the office. People with DSPS have trouble finding positions that allow them to work hours that let them get enough sleep. This also results in more stress, and can cause workplace accidents. " [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/not-everyones-internal-clock-is-set-for-the-9-to-5/384398/ http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/not-ever...
  - throwaway12456 10y ago
    I'm guessing you don't have kids.
dboreham 10y ago
For me the context is important here : we're talking about "people who can competently cut code". These people are so rare within the general population that I'm willing to accept all sorts of hygiene factors such as working strange hours, having poor communication skills, being obsessed with specific programming languages or operating systems, and on and on. If I had 10 solid candidates show up for every job opening, I'd probably pick one that was willing to keep regular office hours. But that's not the situation, typically. Ability to write decent code trumps the other factors.
wott 10y ago
> changing the time you go to bed and wake up is so trivially simple Jesus, man, how many times will people have to explain to you that in many cases it does not work like that before you understand or at least acknowledge it?

madez 10y ago

That "changing the time you go to bed and wake up is trivially simple" is an assumption of yours, and it is wrong in general.

midgetjones 10y ago
It's an assumption based on my own experience, sure. But I'd like to see any evidence to the contrary if I'm that wrong.
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- MaulingMonkey 10y ago
  Several counter-ancedata to your ancedata isn't evidence? EDIT, in case it isn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia > Between 10% and 30% of adults have insomnia at any given point in time and up to half of people have insomnia in a given year.[3][5][11] About 6% of people have insomnia that is not due to another problem and lasts for more than a month.[3] People over the age of 65 are affected more often than younger people.[7] Females are more often affected than males.[5] Descriptions of insomnia occur at least as far back as ancient Greece.[12] Just medicate the problem, right? > While sleeping pills may help, they are associated with injuries, dementia, and addiction.[8][9] Medications are not recommended for more than four or five weeks.[9] The effectiveness and safety of alternative medicine is unclear.[8][9] Oh. Hmm.
  - midgetjones 10y ago
    Well I'm glad that I'm not wrong "in general" then. I would never dispute that insomnia is a real problem for people. But "I simply can't come in at 9am, I'm a night owl!" is the attitude I took exception to. I'm resisting the urge to put all the disagreement with my point down to crabbiness from lack of sleep.
    - cncool 10y ago
      >>"I simply can't come in at 9am, I'm a night owl!" Do you take exception to that statement if it came from someone with Delayed sleep phase disorder? [1] " According Cary Cooper, a psychologist and professor at Lancaster University Management School, when people who have DSPS wake up early for work, they become sleep deprived which causes them to be less efficient, innovative, and creative at the office. People with DSPS have trouble finding positions that allow them to work hours that let them get enough sleep. This also results in more stress, and can cause workplace accidents. " [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/not-everyones-internal-clock-is-set-for-the-9-to-5/384398/ http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/not-ever...
- throwaway12456 10y ago
  I'm guessing you don't have kids.

dboreham 10y ago

For me the context is important here : we're talking about "people who can competently cut code". These people are so rare within the general population that I'm willing to accept all sorts of hygiene factors such as working strange hours, having poor communication skills, being obsessed with specific programming languages or operating systems, and on and on. If I had 10 solid candidates show up for every job opening, I'd probably pick one that was willing to keep regular office hours. But that's not the situation, typically. Ability to write decent code trumps the other factors.

wott 10y ago

> changing the time you go to bed and wake up is so trivially simple Jesus, man, how many times will people have to explain to you that in many cases it does not work like that before you understand or at least acknowledge it?