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Is this plan any good? Another way to say... If Obama came up with this plan, would it be well received?

stephancoral 10y ago
>Fully fund the construction of a wall on our border with Mexico, with the “full understanding that the country of Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall”. [Pure manchild wish fulfillment] >Cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities. >Lift the roadblocks on energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone Pipeline and allow them to move forward. >Lift the restrictions on $50 trillion dollars’ worth of American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas, and clean coal. [I'm sure Secretary of State Tillerson's Exxon holdings won't benefit from this at all...no sir, this is just to help the public!] >A hiring freeze on all federal employees (except for the military, public safety, and public health) [Because who needs jobs right? It's not like the Federal gov't is one of the nation's biggest employer and source of good jobs] >Cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum, and order issued by President Obama. ['unconstitutional' lol] >Reduce the business tax rate from 35% to 15%. >An act to allow school choice. [i.e. defund public schools] No, this is a garbage plan which will strip the public of the property and rights they deserve and basically funnel more money into Trump's and Co's coffers.
- edblarney 10y ago
  "which will strip the public of the property and rights they deserve " I don't see how any Americans 'property or rights' are being abrogated there. > In Canada, we manage our borders effectively. We're not some fascist state. I don't think it's 'totalitarian' for US gov to responsibly implement the very fair immigration laws on the books. > Pipelines are all over America. They're not evil. Granted, those that do actual damage should not be allowed - but the process is politicized in both directions. > "State Tillerson's Exxon holdings won't benefit" - Tillerson has absolved his stockholdings in Exxon. He's as free to buy and sell Oil stocks as you and I are. > A 'hiring freeze' on government staff is not entirely irresponsible wherein there is bloat. The highest media wage in the US is - guess where? Washington DC. The bloat in DC is epic. At least the sentiment to want to do something about that is reasonable. > "Reduce the business tax rate from 35% to 15%." - it's not going to be done across the board. He's going to create a VAT system which every other country has. (Meaning US does not pay taxes on products they export - same as other countries) The US without VAT is at a huge competitive disadvantage. This is actually one of the most ridiculously obvious things the US should have done a long time ago. This is not contentious really. > Allowing parents to choose schools is not 'defunding' public schools, it's allowing people to take public money allocated to their students and put it into the school of their choice. No money is coming out of the system. I understand that it's contentious, but it's irresponsible to position this as 'defunding' public schools. Most of the items on this list are reasonable. People are getting in a huff about it because it's 'Trump' and they can't stand that. If he can do just 'the better 1/2' of that list, America will be in much better shape. Eventually a Democrat will come along and put together some more socially oriented legislation.
  - stephancoral 10y ago
    If you really believe Tillerson has absolved all of his holdings and won't benefit, I have a hotel on Columbus Circle to sell you. His $500 billion oil deal with Putin was interrupted because of Obama's sanctions and now he's Sec of State and the Trump administration is all buddy buddy with Russia? Come on. >A 'hiring freeze' on government staff is not entirely irresponsible wherein there is bloat. The highest media wage in the US is - guess where? Washington DC. The bloat in DC is epic. At least the sentiment to want to do something about that is reasonable. First off, I highly doubt it is the clerical / less-unskilled staff that is making those numbers so high and those are the type of jobs that will be mosty affected by the freeze. Is it really "bloat" if it's giving people livelihoods and jobs? Almost all white-collar jobs are "bloat", there are very few actually essential duties that need to be taken care of. If anything, federal employment it's one of the best support infrastructures and safety nets we have since our welfare is in such disarray. > Allowing parents to choose schools is not 'defunding' public schools, it's allowing people to take public money allocated to their students and put it into the school of their choice. "School choice" is just the rhetorical term used by the right to indicate the rise of private and charter schools, which don't need to follow those pesky federal regulations. Again, I also don't take the term at face value - did you even watch the Betsy DeVos confirmation hearing? It was pathetic. >Most of the items on this list are reasonable. People are getting in a huff about it because it's 'Trump' and they can't stand that. If he can do just 'the better 1/2' of that list, America will be in much better shape. Yea they are so bent out of shape that a thin-skinned narcissist rapist wants to basically loot the country with his cronies. The nerve of some people!
    - scrollaway 10y ago
      > Yea they are so bent out of shape that a thin-skinned narcissist rapist wants to basically loot the country with his cronies. The nerve of some people! Speaking as a non-american who strongly dislikes Trump and his plans... could you please, kindly not stoop to the level of his tweets when arguing politics? You're ruining your own arguments by doing that.
    - edblarney 10y ago
      "If you really believe Tillerson has absolved all of his holdings and won't benefit, I have a hotel on Columbus Circle to sell you." Tillerson has also made a deal whereby he can't work Oil and Gas for the next 10 years. The deal is with the State Department - are you saying the State Department is lying? There is also specific Congressional oversight for Tillerson (which does not apply to Trump, by the way). So enough conspiracy theories - either put up some evidence of your claim that somehow Tillerson will not sell his shares - or don't make the comment. "Is it really "bloat" if it's giving people livelihoods and jobs?" Wow ... Yes! The very fact that you'd leave aside government workers actual ability to be productive, and just assume that 'giving people money' is somehow a 'good thing' for governance, makes me question the premise of your rebuttal. ""School choice" is just the rhetorical term" Except it's not. When people can take their government vouchers to the schools of their choice, this is 'choice'. Not 'defunding public schools'. You're the one making the rhetorical leap here. "Yea they are so bent out of shape that a thin-skinned narcissist rapist wants to basically loot the country with his cronies" Take this kind of stuff to Huffpost, you'll find like minded people there. I don't really like Trump, but the list is not remotely unreasonable.
CptJamesCook 10y ago
I think it's a truly great plan. This list of policies is the the main reason I supported Trump despite his... unusual... behavior.
- lukeschlather 10y ago
  I think the phrase you're searching for is criminal behavior.
  - edblarney 10y ago
    Really? Has Trump been arrested? Charged? No? From the outside, it seems as the 'anti Trump' hysteria is just as bad as some of the 'pro Trump' hysteria. Let's try to move beyond that.
  - deleted 10y ago
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>Fully fund the construction of a wall on our border with Mexico, with the “full understanding that the country of Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall”. [Pure manchild wish fulfillment] >Cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities. >Lift the roadblocks on energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone Pipeline and allow them to move forward. >Lift the restrictions on $50 trillion dollars’ worth of American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas, and clean coal. [I'm sure Secretary of State Tillerson's Exxon holdings won't benefit from this at all...no sir, this is just to help the public!] >A hiring freeze on all federal employees (except for the military, public safety, and public health) [Because who needs jobs right? It's not like the Federal gov't is one of the nation's biggest employer and source of good jobs] >Cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum, and order issued by President Obama. ['unconstitutional' lol] >Reduce the business tax rate from 35% to 15%. >An act to allow school choice. [i.e. defund public schools] No, this is a garbage plan which will strip the public of the property and rights they deserve and basically funnel more money into Trump's and Co's coffers.

edblarney 10y ago
"which will strip the public of the property and rights they deserve " I don't see how any Americans 'property or rights' are being abrogated there. > In Canada, we manage our borders effectively. We're not some fascist state. I don't think it's 'totalitarian' for US gov to responsibly implement the very fair immigration laws on the books. > Pipelines are all over America. They're not evil. Granted, those that do actual damage should not be allowed - but the process is politicized in both directions. > "State Tillerson's Exxon holdings won't benefit" - Tillerson has absolved his stockholdings in Exxon. He's as free to buy and sell Oil stocks as you and I are. > A 'hiring freeze' on government staff is not entirely irresponsible wherein there is bloat. The highest media wage in the US is - guess where? Washington DC. The bloat in DC is epic. At least the sentiment to want to do something about that is reasonable. > "Reduce the business tax rate from 35% to 15%." - it's not going to be done across the board. He's going to create a VAT system which every other country has. (Meaning US does not pay taxes on products they export - same as other countries) The US without VAT is at a huge competitive disadvantage. This is actually one of the most ridiculously obvious things the US should have done a long time ago. This is not contentious really. > Allowing parents to choose schools is not 'defunding' public schools, it's allowing people to take public money allocated to their students and put it into the school of their choice. No money is coming out of the system. I understand that it's contentious, but it's irresponsible to position this as 'defunding' public schools. Most of the items on this list are reasonable. People are getting in a huff about it because it's 'Trump' and they can't stand that. If he can do just 'the better 1/2' of that list, America will be in much better shape. Eventually a Democrat will come along and put together some more socially oriented legislation.
- stephancoral 10y ago
  If you really believe Tillerson has absolved all of his holdings and won't benefit, I have a hotel on Columbus Circle to sell you. His $500 billion oil deal with Putin was interrupted because of Obama's sanctions and now he's Sec of State and the Trump administration is all buddy buddy with Russia? Come on. >A 'hiring freeze' on government staff is not entirely irresponsible wherein there is bloat. The highest media wage in the US is - guess where? Washington DC. The bloat in DC is epic. At least the sentiment to want to do something about that is reasonable. First off, I highly doubt it is the clerical / less-unskilled staff that is making those numbers so high and those are the type of jobs that will be mosty affected by the freeze. Is it really "bloat" if it's giving people livelihoods and jobs? Almost all white-collar jobs are "bloat", there are very few actually essential duties that need to be taken care of. If anything, federal employment it's one of the best support infrastructures and safety nets we have since our welfare is in such disarray. > Allowing parents to choose schools is not 'defunding' public schools, it's allowing people to take public money allocated to their students and put it into the school of their choice. "School choice" is just the rhetorical term used by the right to indicate the rise of private and charter schools, which don't need to follow those pesky federal regulations. Again, I also don't take the term at face value - did you even watch the Betsy DeVos confirmation hearing? It was pathetic. >Most of the items on this list are reasonable. People are getting in a huff about it because it's 'Trump' and they can't stand that. If he can do just 'the better 1/2' of that list, America will be in much better shape. Yea they are so bent out of shape that a thin-skinned narcissist rapist wants to basically loot the country with his cronies. The nerve of some people!
  - scrollaway 10y ago
    > Yea they are so bent out of shape that a thin-skinned narcissist rapist wants to basically loot the country with his cronies. The nerve of some people! Speaking as a non-american who strongly dislikes Trump and his plans... could you please, kindly not stoop to the level of his tweets when arguing politics? You're ruining your own arguments by doing that.
  - edblarney 10y ago
    "If you really believe Tillerson has absolved all of his holdings and won't benefit, I have a hotel on Columbus Circle to sell you." Tillerson has also made a deal whereby he can't work Oil and Gas for the next 10 years. The deal is with the State Department - are you saying the State Department is lying? There is also specific Congressional oversight for Tillerson (which does not apply to Trump, by the way). So enough conspiracy theories - either put up some evidence of your claim that somehow Tillerson will not sell his shares - or don't make the comment. "Is it really "bloat" if it's giving people livelihoods and jobs?" Wow ... Yes! The very fact that you'd leave aside government workers actual ability to be productive, and just assume that 'giving people money' is somehow a 'good thing' for governance, makes me question the premise of your rebuttal. ""School choice" is just the rhetorical term" Except it's not. When people can take their government vouchers to the schools of their choice, this is 'choice'. Not 'defunding public schools'. You're the one making the rhetorical leap here. "Yea they are so bent out of shape that a thin-skinned narcissist rapist wants to basically loot the country with his cronies" Take this kind of stuff to Huffpost, you'll find like minded people there. I don't really like Trump, but the list is not remotely unreasonable.

CptJamesCook 10y ago

I think it's a truly great plan. This list of policies is the the main reason I supported Trump despite his... unusual... behavior.

lukeschlather 10y ago
I think the phrase you're searching for is criminal behavior.
- edblarney 10y ago
  Really? Has Trump been arrested? Charged? No? From the outside, it seems as the 'anti Trump' hysteria is just as bad as some of the 'pro Trump' hysteria. Let's try to move beyond that.
- deleted 10y ago
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