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Holding government to account is a good thing, thanks Sam. I have to wonder though if we'd see the same level of scrutiny if HRC had won.

neuromancer2701 10y ago
What if he actually does what he said he would??
- deleted 10y ago
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- bradleyankrom 10y ago
  then we'll see that reflected in the app
ipunchghosts 10y ago
Agreed. thanks for doing this. bookmarked. EDIT. being downvoted. I agreed on the thanks for sam for putting together the list together in an easy-t0-digest format, not the HRC part!
stephancoral 10y ago
Considering the amount of conspiracy nuts who make it their life goal to pin everything on the Clintons and the amount of mainstream attention they got + the rabid anti-Hillary sentiment on the right, my answer is "absolutely".
- Alex3917 10y ago
  You really think there would have been millions of people out protesting? Somehow I doubt it.
  - tashoecraft 10y ago
    I think we wouldn't have seen millions protesting because Trump supporters were overwhelmingly not from cities. Where it is much easier to get hundreds of thousands together.
    - stephancoral 10y ago
      And yet, there were hundreds of protests in small cities across the country for the Woman's March. Here's one from Alabama: http://wkrg.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-mobile-draws-hundreds-of-men-and-women/ http://wkrg.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-mobile-draws-hundred...
    - knz 10y ago
      The Tea Party got a large turnout after Obama was elected - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests
    - mkohlmyr 10y ago
      Overwhelmingly not from cities? 62% of the US population lives in cities. Trump got 46% of the popular vote. What you are saying is just barely mathematically possible and most likely untrue.
  - stephancoral 10y ago
    Who said anything about protesting? Either way, yea, I doubt there'd be as big of a protest (there would still be a lot, remember the tea party?) because H was an actual rational candidate who may have had some questionable views but didn't insult war heroes, slander entire ethnicities, and brag about sexual assault? It's pretty obvious why Trump is unpopular and why people are protesting him. I don't really see the point of your comment other than to stir up nothing. Are you really trying to have a discourse about this? Somehow I doubt it.
    - Alex3917 10y ago
      > I don't really see the point of your comment other than to stir up nothing. She was running on a campaign of starting a war with Russia. If you see sending mostly poor folks from cities and the Bible Belt over to die in Syria or wherever as being 'nothing' then I have no problem stirring that up. We certainly shouldn't condone Trump's comments about women. But if you think his comments magically erase, say, the Clinton's role in the HIV epidemic then I think you're drinking the Kool-Aid. So yeah, I protested Trump, and if Clinton had won I'd be protesting her also.
      - stephancoral 10y ago
        >But if you think his comments magically erase, say, the Clinton's role in the HIV epidemic then I think you're drinking the Kool-Aid. Never said anything like that. I have no love for hillary and did not vote for her but dude get over it. Anti-Hillary people are actually like stalkers and they can't seem to just let it go. She lost, she's not the problem right now. Please stop making every Trump thing into a Trump vs. Clinton thing
  - knz 10y ago
    Whether you are a Trump supporter or not, it's difficult to suggest that he is not radically different than other politicians and tremendously polarizing. Some see that as a sign of much needed change and other see it as a potential threat to democracy. Clinton was seen as largely a continuation of politics as normal so it would seem unlikely that there would have been large protests - perhaps more Tea Party protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests) or an increased presence at the existing standing conservative marches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Life_(Washington,_D.C.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Life_(Washington,_D.... etc).
  - astrodust 10y ago
    Were you dead during the Obama years? Did you not see millions of people protesting? Remember the Tea Party?
- WayneBro 10y ago
  Right, "conspiracy nuts". Because there has never been a conspiracy ever anywhere.
  - stephancoral 10y ago
    The extent to which the Clintons undergo the "conspiracy" treatment is almost comical. There are entire galaxies of blogs and sites dedicated to teasing out symbolism from the most mundane of details. See: pizzagate.
    - 234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
      Yup, it's just coincidence that a politician makes 200M via a "charitable" organization. Nothing to see here folks, just keep those donations from Saudi rolling in so they can buy up our water resources and dairy farms. Only a lunatic would believe such as thing!
    - WayneBro 10y ago
      You mean like when Hillary Clinton repeatedly invoked the existence of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" against her and Bill back in the 90's? Yes, that was comical. Anyway, pizzagate is a well known hoax. Does that somehow cancel out all the other conspiracies that surround the Clintons? Logically it does not but most people are only thinking at a 3rd grade level so it's a great distraction. Where there's smoke, there's fire and there's plenty of evidence to support the Clintons selling nuclear secrets to China, smuggling drugs with the CIA at Mena Airport and of course the infamous "body count".
      - dingo_bat 10y ago
        > pizzagate is a well known hoax Is it? I haven't found any solid debunking of the really weird aspects (handkerchief email). The wikipedia article lists [1] and [2] as citations for the word "debunked", but both don't really offer any compelling argument except the general preposterousness of the crazy 4chan talk. But there are no alternative, plausible explanations for the weird, code-like language of some of the emails. Please point me to better debunkings if you know or can find out. [1] http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/ http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/ [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/medi...
songshu 10y ago
Sure there are all the political reasons to wonder. And also, Trump made a lot of specific pledges such as the wall, repealing Obamacare, cutting corporate tax rate. In each case it's easy to say whether it was done or not. So there's more opportunity to do this with him.
jimcsharp 10y ago
I hope this easily digestible politician tracking continues: https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/ https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/
- astrodust 10y ago
  Nice work on them spelling the domain incorrectly. "Meter" is a device used to measure things, or as in musical time. "Metre" is almost exclusively a unit of distance. It's not called a "speedometre" unless you're French.
  - akjainaj 10y ago
    Funny that a part of Canada speaks French. Who would've known, eh?
    - astrodust 10y ago
      Obviously, Trudeau himself does. That's why it's important to register both domains. Someone else scooped trudeaumeter.ca. The header on the English site says clearly "Trudeau Meter". If you're going to embrace the French spelling, go all in.
- allemagne 10y ago
  I hope it has a discernible impact. Otherwise it's just another set of alternative facts.
csours 10y ago
What are you talking about? Obama got literally the same treatment. Every president going forward will get the same treatment, and that's a good thing!
allemagne 10y ago
Can you imagine the response if a President Elect Hillary acted even a little like Trump has? If she put out even one childish tweet? If there was even a hint of the kinds of rumors about kompromat or direct ties to, say, Chinese influence -- let alone a real (whether or not it's legitimate information) dossier passed from John McCain to intelligence agencies? If the first white house press conference went even a little bit like how Trump's went? If she threatened to put Trump in jail to his face on live TV and then immediately backpedaled after being elected? If her approval rating was as low as Trump's is, and she accused the media of rigging approval polls? Imagine her picking Tillerson and people from Goldman Sachs for her cabinet. If you want to talk about hypothetical double standards I want to get to the bottom of this one first.
- dforrestwilson1 10y ago
  My point was more around the shotgun blast of campaign promises she put out. How should we measure that? If Trump nails even a few of his promises, he might arguably meet more of his campaign promises than HRC would have. Yes there absolutely is a double standard here. Trump is not judged the same as a career politician.
  - FireBeyond 10y ago
    He needs to be, despite the fact that at times he's acted like his Presidency is something he'll fit in around everything else he has going on. And you can't really point to HRC and say that she put out a shotgun blast of campaign promises. Trump has done the same. I won't argue that in any case, increased monitoring and accountability of those in positions of power and / or influence should be something we strive for, regardless of affiliation.

neuromancer2701 10y ago

What if he actually does what he said he would??

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bradleyankrom 10y ago
then we'll see that reflected in the app

ipunchghosts 10y ago

Agreed. thanks for doing this. bookmarked. EDIT. being downvoted. I agreed on the thanks for sam for putting together the list together in an easy-t0-digest format, not the HRC part!

stephancoral 10y ago

Considering the amount of conspiracy nuts who make it their life goal to pin everything on the Clintons and the amount of mainstream attention they got + the rabid anti-Hillary sentiment on the right, my answer is "absolutely".

Alex3917 10y ago
You really think there would have been millions of people out protesting? Somehow I doubt it.
- tashoecraft 10y ago
  I think we wouldn't have seen millions protesting because Trump supporters were overwhelmingly not from cities. Where it is much easier to get hundreds of thousands together.
  - stephancoral 10y ago
    And yet, there were hundreds of protests in small cities across the country for the Woman's March. Here's one from Alabama: http://wkrg.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-mobile-draws-hundreds-of-men-and-women/ http://wkrg.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-mobile-draws-hundred...
  - knz 10y ago
    The Tea Party got a large turnout after Obama was elected - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests
  - mkohlmyr 10y ago
    Overwhelmingly not from cities? 62% of the US population lives in cities. Trump got 46% of the popular vote. What you are saying is just barely mathematically possible and most likely untrue.
- stephancoral 10y ago
  Who said anything about protesting? Either way, yea, I doubt there'd be as big of a protest (there would still be a lot, remember the tea party?) because H was an actual rational candidate who may have had some questionable views but didn't insult war heroes, slander entire ethnicities, and brag about sexual assault? It's pretty obvious why Trump is unpopular and why people are protesting him. I don't really see the point of your comment other than to stir up nothing. Are you really trying to have a discourse about this? Somehow I doubt it.
  - Alex3917 10y ago
    > I don't really see the point of your comment other than to stir up nothing. She was running on a campaign of starting a war with Russia. If you see sending mostly poor folks from cities and the Bible Belt over to die in Syria or wherever as being 'nothing' then I have no problem stirring that up. We certainly shouldn't condone Trump's comments about women. But if you think his comments magically erase, say, the Clinton's role in the HIV epidemic then I think you're drinking the Kool-Aid. So yeah, I protested Trump, and if Clinton had won I'd be protesting her also.
    - stephancoral 10y ago
      >But if you think his comments magically erase, say, the Clinton's role in the HIV epidemic then I think you're drinking the Kool-Aid. Never said anything like that. I have no love for hillary and did not vote for her but dude get over it. Anti-Hillary people are actually like stalkers and they can't seem to just let it go. She lost, she's not the problem right now. Please stop making every Trump thing into a Trump vs. Clinton thing
- knz 10y ago
  Whether you are a Trump supporter or not, it's difficult to suggest that he is not radically different than other politicians and tremendously polarizing. Some see that as a sign of much needed change and other see it as a potential threat to democracy. Clinton was seen as largely a continuation of politics as normal so it would seem unlikely that there would have been large protests - perhaps more Tea Party protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests) or an increased presence at the existing standing conservative marches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Life_(Washington,_D.C.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Life_(Washington,_D.... etc).
- astrodust 10y ago
  Were you dead during the Obama years? Did you not see millions of people protesting? Remember the Tea Party?
WayneBro 10y ago
Right, "conspiracy nuts". Because there has never been a conspiracy ever anywhere.
- stephancoral 10y ago
  The extent to which the Clintons undergo the "conspiracy" treatment is almost comical. There are entire galaxies of blogs and sites dedicated to teasing out symbolism from the most mundane of details. See: pizzagate.
  - 234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
    Yup, it's just coincidence that a politician makes 200M via a "charitable" organization. Nothing to see here folks, just keep those donations from Saudi rolling in so they can buy up our water resources and dairy farms. Only a lunatic would believe such as thing!
  - WayneBro 10y ago
    You mean like when Hillary Clinton repeatedly invoked the existence of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" against her and Bill back in the 90's? Yes, that was comical. Anyway, pizzagate is a well known hoax. Does that somehow cancel out all the other conspiracies that surround the Clintons? Logically it does not but most people are only thinking at a 3rd grade level so it's a great distraction. Where there's smoke, there's fire and there's plenty of evidence to support the Clintons selling nuclear secrets to China, smuggling drugs with the CIA at Mena Airport and of course the infamous "body count".
    - dingo_bat 10y ago
      > pizzagate is a well known hoax Is it? I haven't found any solid debunking of the really weird aspects (handkerchief email). The wikipedia article lists [1] and [2] as citations for the word "debunked", but both don't really offer any compelling argument except the general preposterousness of the crazy 4chan talk. But there are no alternative, plausible explanations for the weird, code-like language of some of the emails. Please point me to better debunkings if you know or can find out. [1] http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/ http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/ [2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/medi...

songshu 10y ago

Sure there are all the political reasons to wonder. And also, Trump made a lot of specific pledges such as the wall, repealing Obamacare, cutting corporate tax rate. In each case it's easy to say whether it was done or not. So there's more opportunity to do this with him.

jimcsharp 10y ago

I hope this easily digestible politician tracking continues: https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/ https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/

astrodust 10y ago
Nice work on them spelling the domain incorrectly. "Meter" is a device used to measure things, or as in musical time. "Metre" is almost exclusively a unit of distance. It's not called a "speedometre" unless you're French.
- akjainaj 10y ago
  Funny that a part of Canada speaks French. Who would've known, eh?
  - astrodust 10y ago
    Obviously, Trudeau himself does. That's why it's important to register both domains. Someone else scooped trudeaumeter.ca. The header on the English site says clearly "Trudeau Meter". If you're going to embrace the French spelling, go all in.
allemagne 10y ago
I hope it has a discernible impact. Otherwise it's just another set of alternative facts.

csours 10y ago

What are you talking about? Obama got literally the same treatment. Every president going forward will get the same treatment, and that's a good thing!

allemagne 10y ago

Can you imagine the response if a President Elect Hillary acted even a little like Trump has? If she put out even one childish tweet? If there was even a hint of the kinds of rumors about kompromat or direct ties to, say, Chinese influence -- let alone a real (whether or not it's legitimate information) dossier passed from John McCain to intelligence agencies? If the first white house press conference went even a little bit like how Trump's went? If she threatened to put Trump in jail to his face on live TV and then immediately backpedaled after being elected? If her approval rating was as low as Trump's is, and she accused the media of rigging approval polls? Imagine her picking Tillerson and people from Goldman Sachs for her cabinet. If you want to talk about hypothetical double standards I want to get to the bottom of this one first.

dforrestwilson1 10y ago
My point was more around the shotgun blast of campaign promises she put out. How should we measure that? If Trump nails even a few of his promises, he might arguably meet more of his campaign promises than HRC would have. Yes there absolutely is a double standard here. Trump is not judged the same as a career politician.
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  He needs to be, despite the fact that at times he's acted like his Presidency is something he'll fit in around everything else he has going on. And you can't really point to HRC and say that she put out a shotgun blast of campaign promises. Trump has done the same. I won't argue that in any case, increased monitoring and accountability of those in positions of power and / or influence should be something we strive for, regardless of affiliation.