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> Why am I getting paid less to do more honest work? Why aren't you applying for the jobs that they are applying for?

by imron 10y ago

wpietri 10y ago
I'm not him, but here's one good answer: who wants to work for a company populated with frauds and run by idiots who don't know how to hire or manage? I like getting things done. I like working with smart, sane, kind people. I like working on good code. As long as I can make a decent living somewhere like that, there's no plausible salary that would make me give up that.
- imron 10y ago
  And that's a perfectly valid answer! But if these people with little/no experience are getting paid higher salaries, it strikes me that ohstopitu is probably being paid under market rates at their current position and there will be companies with smart, sane, kind people and good code bases offering similar (or greater) salaries. There are dozens of other reasons why it might not make sense to apply for those other jobs, but all of those are decisions and tradeoffs for you to make. If salary is the overriding concern, it's probably an easy fix.
  - wpietri 10y ago
    It could be, but I don't think this is good evidence for ohstopitu being underpaid. One way terrible companies get people to join despite being terrible is by paying more. As an example, I took a lower salary at a nonprofit because I cared about the mission. Or at the other end of the spectrum, financial trading companies pay a fair bit more because they have no mission but money, and are often unpleasant places to work.
    - imron 10y ago
      > but I don't think this is good evidence for ohstopitu being underpaid That's a fair enough point. My original post was just to point out that the answer to ohstopitu's original question is not some great mystery, and all they need to do is answer the question I posed back, because it's exactly the same answer to both questions.
- acdha 10y ago
  This was really common during the first Internet bubble – I remember being on the phone a number of times with a whole room full of people worked on a household-name .com and realizing that maybe one of them had more than a superficial understanding of how the web or commerce worked. Several people basically stated that they were just killing time waiting for the IPO. The thing I remember is that while at the time most of them were worth a lot of money on paper, it was only about a year later that they were all unemployed and the hoped-for riches had vanished along with a huge cloud of VC funding. I'm not personally cut out to be a complete mercenary but it seems like if you are it's critically important that you pay a lot of attention to timing your exit. Unless you have a high chance of getting so rich that you won't need another job, you really need more than that to take to the next gig.
arenaninja 10y ago
My question is how do you find these jobs, or do these jobs find you?

> Why am I getting paid less to do more honest work? Why aren't you applying for the jobs that they are applying for?

by imron 10y ago

> Why am I getting paid less to do more honest work? Why aren't you applying for the jobs that they are applying for?

I'm not him, but here's one good answer: who wants to work for a company populated with frauds and run by idiots who don't know how to hire or manage? I like getting things done. I like working with smart, sane, kind people. I like working on good code. As long as I can make a decent living somewhere like that, there's no plausible salary that would make me give up that.

imron 10y ago
And that's a perfectly valid answer! But if these people with little/no experience are getting paid higher salaries, it strikes me that ohstopitu is probably being paid under market rates at their current position and there will be companies with smart, sane, kind people and good code bases offering similar (or greater) salaries. There are dozens of other reasons why it might not make sense to apply for those other jobs, but all of those are decisions and tradeoffs for you to make. If salary is the overriding concern, it's probably an easy fix.
- wpietri 10y ago
  It could be, but I don't think this is good evidence for ohstopitu being underpaid. One way terrible companies get people to join despite being terrible is by paying more. As an example, I took a lower salary at a nonprofit because I cared about the mission. Or at the other end of the spectrum, financial trading companies pay a fair bit more because they have no mission but money, and are often unpleasant places to work.
  - imron 10y ago
    > but I don't think this is good evidence for ohstopitu being underpaid That's a fair enough point. My original post was just to point out that the answer to ohstopitu's original question is not some great mystery, and all they need to do is answer the question I posed back, because it's exactly the same answer to both questions.
acdha 10y ago
This was really common during the first Internet bubble – I remember being on the phone a number of times with a whole room full of people worked on a household-name .com and realizing that maybe one of them had more than a superficial understanding of how the web or commerce worked. Several people basically stated that they were just killing time waiting for the IPO. The thing I remember is that while at the time most of them were worth a lot of money on paper, it was only about a year later that they were all unemployed and the hoped-for riches had vanished along with a huge cloud of VC funding. I'm not personally cut out to be a complete mercenary but it seems like if you are it's critically important that you pay a lot of attention to timing your exit. Unless you have a high chance of getting so rich that you won't need another job, you really need more than that to take to the next gig.

arenaninja 10y ago

My question is how do you find these jobs, or do these jobs find you?