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See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where

See this is the problem. Way too much groupthink nowadays. Do you honestly think Fox News is all fake? Hint: it's not. I'm a lifelong democrat but here's where last November's events hit me even harder than most: I know we earned it. We've been allowing CNN, MSNBC, etc to slam Trump left and right. Does he deserve it? Of course he does! The problem is they stand from an authority position with presumed partiality and they are absolutely biased. News flash folks: the giant cheeto is absolutely right about that. And they DO NOT get right 100% of the time, yet Fox News does the same thing and we slam them for it! It's absolute nonsense and it's how we got here. By being divided and pretending we aren't doing what our "enemy" is. The MLK bust thing is a great example. The crowds? Not that it should even matter but the picture being passed around and paraded all over CNN and 10,000 memes everywhere was a picture taken BEFORE the inauguration got under way. Though I do not believe Trump had a bigger crowd than Obama, it was bigger than what CNN was showing you and making a big deal out of it. These. Things. Matter. There are so many simple examples, if you call Fox News fake you have to call all of them fake.

tritosomal 10y ago
If it actually mattered, then ISIS wouldn't exist, because we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for laughs. But Fox News was pretty cool about making sure there was popular support for the Iraq war, and plenty of it. Who cares about what happens anymore, when I'm supposed to each shit sandwiches like these.
- dotnetisnotdead 10y ago
  You're absolutely right about that, they spun the wars pretty hard and the other media outlets criticized them... until BO took office.
  - tritosomal 10y ago
    Yes, when that happened the Fox News constituency took it about as hard as the rest of the world is taking Trump right now. Indeed, the note of defeat in your average Fox News personality's voice was palpable. They were washed up has-beens for the next few years and they knew it. In terms of a 24 hour news cycle that's eons.
- dotnetisnotdead 10y ago
  Here is one thing Fox News does do: give us information about things the rest of them don't want to think about. Ever see what happens to coverage when a shooter/attacker is Muslim? 8:30am (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) MASS SHOOTER AT UNIVERSITY!!! FRONT PAGE!! Information Released that suspect is Somali immigrant 8:40am (Fox News ) Police are saying shooter is Somali immigrant (CNN et al) Leaves up original page with update added that shooter may be a Somali immigrant Information released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife 9:00am (Fox News) Information was released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife (CNN et al) Front page: Look! someone taught a dog how to water ski!! The rest of the day Fox details the history of the suspect, pictures and supporting info and the others bury it completely. This has happened numerous times over the last few months. Is this better for us?
  - AstralStorm 10y ago
    Was it really especially notable or was it cheap news on inflammatory issue? What are the consequences of such publicity for a known terrorist group? I do not know the answers, probably nobody does, front page of a news site and a newspaper is a thing of tremendous value and not to be used lightly. The more interesting part is what does not get reported by either side, which is the additional say 10 murders at the same time in other parts of the US.
- rdtsc 10y ago
  Just because Fox News is biased doesn't automatically make the opposing media channels unbiased or better. I posit that before the election started some of those channels at least did a token / minimum amount of work to appear impartial. During the election that pretence was dropped. They have basically sunk to the level of Fox News.
fudgie 10y ago
You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg which shows that the image shared was correct.
- roastbeef 10y ago
  even if it is which it's still not completely clear since there is no timestamp on that, it doesn't take into account many factors such as the widespread claim that security into the event was excessive and many people couldn't get in on time, nor the fact that for Obama there was a much larger local turn out, nor the fact that MANY people stayed home out of fear of violence from the left etc. The point is, the media making a story about attendance numbers was nothing more than a swipe at his legitimacy and THAT is the problem.
- egberts1 10y ago
  And the security checkpoints were choked at noon. I'm willing to bet that most people were trying to get in (me, for one) and got videos to show for it.
- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  >You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration. Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day. Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day. https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here... http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's. https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=02d97ed976b28d2805de75338613859e https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...
JohnTHaller 10y ago
Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time: http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news Plus, your post is literally buying into the 'media downplayed Trump's crowd' and the 'picture was taken before the inauguration' fake news story. The picture was taken at the peak. They even released the video to prove it. Trump's crowd was about on par with George W Bush's. In other words, less than half the size of Obama's 2009 crowd.
- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  >They even released the video to prove it. Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day. Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day. https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here... http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's. https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=02d97ed976b28d2805de75338613859e https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f... >Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time... It's ironic that Fox news was so biased before. But this election, Fox News did good. Fox was the only news media that actually show both sides of the story, while the rest of the news media were overwhelmingly biased against Trump.
  - JohnTHaller 10y ago
    The front low-angle picture is the one Trump fans use to "disprove" the story. Its angle hides the swaths of empty space that were filled during Obama's first inauguration. Not to mention that the low-angle front picture obscures the Obama 2009 crowd spilling out the sides. The picture you linked was taken earlier in the day, but is not the one used in the comparisons on news sites. That picture was taken around the time the Obama 2009 one was taken and shows Trump's crowd slightly more filled in: http://i.imgur.com/17nLdRl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/17nLdRl.jpg Obama's inauguration broke all records and Trump's didn't come close. The scary point is that Trump felt the need to lie about it. They even admitted it with their "alternative facts" line. Openly lying about things that are demonstrably false is his way of distracting from other issues.

tritosomal 10y ago

If it actually mattered, then ISIS wouldn't exist, because we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for laughs. But Fox News was pretty cool about making sure there was popular support for the Iraq war, and plenty of it. Who cares about what happens anymore, when I'm supposed to each shit sandwiches like these.

dotnetisnotdead 10y ago
You're absolutely right about that, they spun the wars pretty hard and the other media outlets criticized them... until BO took office.
- tritosomal 10y ago
  Yes, when that happened the Fox News constituency took it about as hard as the rest of the world is taking Trump right now. Indeed, the note of defeat in your average Fox News personality's voice was palpable. They were washed up has-beens for the next few years and they knew it. In terms of a 24 hour news cycle that's eons.
dotnetisnotdead 10y ago
Here is one thing Fox News does do: give us information about things the rest of them don't want to think about. Ever see what happens to coverage when a shooter/attacker is Muslim? 8:30am (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News) MASS SHOOTER AT UNIVERSITY!!! FRONT PAGE!! Information Released that suspect is Somali immigrant 8:40am (Fox News ) Police are saying shooter is Somali immigrant (CNN et al) Leaves up original page with update added that shooter may be a Somali immigrant Information released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife 9:00am (Fox News) Information was released it was a Somali immigrant, who is Muslim and praises ISIS, and used a knife (CNN et al) Front page: Look! someone taught a dog how to water ski!! The rest of the day Fox details the history of the suspect, pictures and supporting info and the others bury it completely. This has happened numerous times over the last few months. Is this better for us?
- AstralStorm 10y ago
  Was it really especially notable or was it cheap news on inflammatory issue? What are the consequences of such publicity for a known terrorist group? I do not know the answers, probably nobody does, front page of a news site and a newspaper is a thing of tremendous value and not to be used lightly. The more interesting part is what does not get reported by either side, which is the additional say 10 murders at the same time in other parts of the US.
rdtsc 10y ago
Just because Fox News is biased doesn't automatically make the opposing media channels unbiased or better. I posit that before the election started some of those channels at least did a token / minimum amount of work to appear impartial. During the election that pretence was dropped. They have basically sunk to the level of Fox News.

fudgie 10y ago

You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg which shows that the image shared was correct.

roastbeef 10y ago
even if it is which it's still not completely clear since there is no timestamp on that, it doesn't take into account many factors such as the widespread claim that security into the event was excessive and many people couldn't get in on time, nor the fact that for Obama there was a much larger local turn out, nor the fact that MANY people stayed home out of fear of violence from the left etc. The point is, the media making a story about attendance numbers was nothing more than a swipe at his legitimacy and THAT is the problem.
egberts1 10y ago
And the security checkpoints were choked at noon. I'm willing to bet that most people were trying to get in (me, for one) and got videos to show for it.
DefaultUserHN 10y ago
>You can watch a timelapse of the whole inauguration. Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day. Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day. https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here... http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's. https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=02d97ed976b28d2805de75338613859e https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f...

JohnTHaller 10y ago

Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time: http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news http://johnhaller.com/useful-stuff/faux-news Plus, your post is literally buying into the 'media downplayed Trump's crowd' and the 'picture was taken before the inauguration' fake news story. The picture was taken at the peak. They even released the video to prove it. Trump's crowd was about on par with George W Bush's. In other words, less than half the size of Obama's 2009 crowd.

DefaultUserHN 10y ago
>They even released the video to prove it. Very misleading video. That video doesn't show the whole day. Here is a picture showing the crowds later in the day. https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg https://i.redd.it/romblz2zsxay.jpg That video only show earlier in the day, before people started filling it up, as indicated by the time-stamp here... http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png http://i.imgur.com/cLiofdu.png Here's a photo closer to the end, showing the crowds goes all the way to the back, almost comparable to Obama's. https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=02d97ed976b28d2805de75338613859e https://i.reddituploads.com/a3495b511eed42509c6f3a82b853996f... >Fox News has been doing the fake/biased news thing for a long time... It's ironic that Fox news was so biased before. But this election, Fox News did good. Fox was the only news media that actually show both sides of the story, while the rest of the news media were overwhelmingly biased against Trump.
- JohnTHaller 10y ago
  The front low-angle picture is the one Trump fans use to "disprove" the story. Its angle hides the swaths of empty space that were filled during Obama's first inauguration. Not to mention that the low-angle front picture obscures the Obama 2009 crowd spilling out the sides. The picture you linked was taken earlier in the day, but is not the one used in the comparisons on news sites. That picture was taken around the time the Obama 2009 one was taken and shows Trump's crowd slightly more filled in: http://i.imgur.com/17nLdRl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/17nLdRl.jpg Obama's inauguration broke all records and Trump's didn't come close. The scary point is that Trump felt the need to lie about it. They even admitted it with their "alternative facts" line. Openly lying about things that are demonstrably false is his way of distracting from other issues.