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"Hard work" is utterly orthogonal to what your comment's parent is describing. The kind of "hard work" that many blue collar people do would leave most programm

by rosser 10y ago

"Hard work" is utterly orthogonal to what your comment's parent is describing. The kind of "hard work" that many blue collar people do would leave most programmers crying in pain and frustration before the first day is out. On the whole, people whose job perks include the fully-staffed, all-day gourmet cafeterias, paid gym memberships (if not on-site gyms and massage therapists!), and six figure salaries for sitting in meetings, thinking kinda hard, and then tapping away at a keyboard for a bit (yes, I'm being reductive; so are you) have exactly fuck-all grounds to call out anyone else about "hard work".

Vendan 10y ago
Of course, there's also the "drop your average blue collar worker into my job and they'd be fired within the week, if not the day"... Not to say I wouldn't be fired within the day at their job, just saying that both kinds of jobs are demanding. (Yes, yes, you could probably train them to do my job, but I could work out to build the strength to do theirs).
geggam 10y ago
Considering IT is my 3rd career, Meat Cutting and Welding being a prior I am not sure you understand my perspective of hard work. I worked my way into IT and it was hard work. How is this privileged ?
- rosser 10y ago
  How is this privileged ? Exactly. It isn't. That you think your efforts are what was being described when the post up-thread mentioned "privilege" shows how poorly you understand the concept.
  - geggam 10y ago
    Thing is... everyone has the "privilege" to bust their ass and do what i did It isn't easy but it is possible. Pretending it isn't is for lazy people. And yes... ask me what ghetto I climbed out of ;)
    - rosser 10y ago
      Not disagreeing with you in the slightest, and genuinely kinda baffled as to how you might think I was. What you seem to be missing (or ignoring), however, is that some people have a tougher climb than others, through no fault of their own. (Race, gender, disability, whatever.) The things that you, personally, don't have to contend with on that climb are what's meant by your "privilege." Not how hard you worked. Not what you've earned, and managed to leverage that into subsequently, but the things that you have no control over, and about which other people have stories and judgements and whatever, which can — and do — materially alter the set of opportunities you'll experience your life — or, rather, they would, if you were subject to them. But you aren't, so you have that "privilege". (Yes, I think it's a shitty name for the concept. But if you can just detach yourself from feeling like it's somehow "your fault" that you have these privileges, and look with more open eyes, you'll see that there's actually a real, demonstrable, even measurable phenomenon there, however strongly you might want to disagree with the verbiage.) No-one's pretending these things aren't possible, so that's a nice straw-man you're building there. But apparently plenty of people are pretending that these things are exactly as hard for someone else with a different life and circumstances as it was for themselves — and that's not only demonstrably false, it's (IMO) disturbingly ignorant.

by rosser 10y ago

Vendan 10y ago

Of course, there's also the "drop your average blue collar worker into my job and they'd be fired within the week, if not the day"... Not to say I wouldn't be fired within the day at their job, just saying that both kinds of jobs are demanding. (Yes, yes, you could probably train them to do my job, but I could work out to build the strength to do theirs).

geggam 10y ago

Considering IT is my 3rd career, Meat Cutting and Welding being a prior I am not sure you understand my perspective of hard work. I worked my way into IT and it was hard work. How is this privileged ?

rosser 10y ago
How is this privileged ? Exactly. It isn't. That you think your efforts are what was being described when the post up-thread mentioned "privilege" shows how poorly you understand the concept.
- geggam 10y ago
  Thing is... everyone has the "privilege" to bust their ass and do what i did It isn't easy but it is possible. Pretending it isn't is for lazy people. And yes... ask me what ghetto I climbed out of ;)
  - rosser 10y ago
    Not disagreeing with you in the slightest, and genuinely kinda baffled as to how you might think I was. What you seem to be missing (or ignoring), however, is that some people have a tougher climb than others, through no fault of their own. (Race, gender, disability, whatever.) The things that you, personally, don't have to contend with on that climb are what's meant by your "privilege." Not how hard you worked. Not what you've earned, and managed to leverage that into subsequently, but the things that you have no control over, and about which other people have stories and judgements and whatever, which can — and do — materially alter the set of opportunities you'll experience your life — or, rather, they would, if you were subject to them. But you aren't, so you have that "privilege". (Yes, I think it's a shitty name for the concept. But if you can just detach yourself from feeling like it's somehow "your fault" that you have these privileges, and look with more open eyes, you'll see that there's actually a real, demonstrable, even measurable phenomenon there, however strongly you might want to disagree with the verbiage.) No-one's pretending these things aren't possible, so that's a nice straw-man you're building there. But apparently plenty of people are pretending that these things are exactly as hard for someone else with a different life and circumstances as it was for themselves — and that's not only demonstrably false, it's (IMO) disturbingly ignorant.