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Like every other person who started a forum some years ago or a wordpress blog you mean? Do you think web hosts offer SSL by default? NO they don't. Duh. That

Like every other person who started a forum some years ago or a wordpress blog you mean? Do you think web hosts offer SSL by default? NO they don't. Duh. That's what is annoying in these comments. Everyone seems to shrug like SSL is standard feature nowadays, except is isn't.

lucideer 10y ago
That's the point. SSL/TLS is a standard feature nowadays. If you're a web host and you don't support certs or charge some unreasonable fee for adding them (and I'm well aware there are far too many of these out there), then you need to be losing business fast. Your customers should be moving to better competitors. This measure just accelerates this process.
- johndoe4589 10y ago
  True, it's just the transition atm is a bit painful. My host is asking ~80 USD for multi domain SSL. It's not that bad, but they don't support Let's Encrypt yet afaik. Are they aware of this and trying to cash in on people who don't want the hassle of moving their sites? On the other hand, if I buy there is none of that "auto renew" business...
Operyl 10y ago
Err, I work for a web host and we offer SSL by default as part of the onboarding. Speak for yourself :).
mikeash 10y ago
You're leaving your users vulnerable because you can't be bothered to do things correctly. You are not the wronged party here, they are, and you're just finally being pushed into doing it right.
geofft 10y ago
Any web host that doesn't offer SSL by default, for free, is offering an inferior product. I worked on my university's web host from 2006-11 and we put a lot of work into making sure people could use HTTPS whenever they wanted, despite technical limitations (mod_vhost_ldap and SNI don't play well together), and that was a volunteer project, well before the current era of free certs. If this change convinces people not to use commercial web hosts that don't offer SSL, it will have done a good thing for the web.

lucideer 10y ago

That's the point. SSL/TLS is a standard feature nowadays. If you're a web host and you don't support certs or charge some unreasonable fee for adding them (and I'm well aware there are far too many of these out there), then you need to be losing business fast. Your customers should be moving to better competitors. This measure just accelerates this process.

johndoe4589 10y ago
True, it's just the transition atm is a bit painful. My host is asking ~80 USD for multi domain SSL. It's not that bad, but they don't support Let's Encrypt yet afaik. Are they aware of this and trying to cash in on people who don't want the hassle of moving their sites? On the other hand, if I buy there is none of that "auto renew" business...

Operyl 10y ago

Err, I work for a web host and we offer SSL by default as part of the onboarding. Speak for yourself :).

mikeash 10y ago

You're leaving your users vulnerable because you can't be bothered to do things correctly. You are not the wronged party here, they are, and you're just finally being pushed into doing it right.

geofft 10y ago

Any web host that doesn't offer SSL by default, for free, is offering an inferior product. I worked on my university's web host from 2006-11 and we put a lot of work into making sure people could use HTTPS whenever they wanted, despite technical limitations (mod_vhost_ldap and SNI don't play well together), and that was a volunteer project, well before the current era of free certs. If this change convinces people not to use commercial web hosts that don't offer SSL, it will have done a good thing for the web.