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google competes with the likes verizon, comcast and at&t, and the data google gathers on you is very valuable. why would they want to share that data with the l

google competes with the likes verizon, comcast and at&t, and the data google gathers on you is very valuable. why would they want to share that data with the line operators for free? sorry to say, but https is not an altruistic move by google.

jjawssd 10y ago
underrated comment
phire 10y ago
And since a large majority of websites import either google analytics or google words, google gets all the infomation for https websites anyway. I'm willing to bet that the terms and conditions for both services allow google to reuse use the analytics infomation.
vortico 10y ago
I can understand why they would want to convince everyone to use HTTPS to restrict access of your data from their competitors, but it limits the data they can collect as well. HTTPS has stricter cross domain policies so their ads would gather less information and their Fiber ISP would no longer be able to collect data by tapping connections. But on average, I think you're right that HTTPS would restrict more of your data to Verizon etc than to Google.
a3_nm 10y ago
Exactly. My understanding of the push towards HTTPS by Google is that they control the websites more than they control the connectivity, so they want to make sure that ISPs can only aspire to be substitutable intermediaries between users and websites. Putting everything in HTTPS makes traffic opaque to ISPs.
Jweb_Guru 10y ago
This is ascribing an absurd level of Machiavellian intent to Google. Why can't people just accept that occasionally, Google engineers do stuff that isn't profitable to the parent company?
- witty_username 10y ago
  Just speculating, but I think Google is at such a huge scale whenever the internet wins Google wins. That's why they're trying to improve internet access with Project Loon and WiFi in Indian railway stations. If privacy improves that will benefit the internet (privacy has real costs that don't involve state actors like hackers, etc). Many people, especially in developing countries, are afraid of transactions over the internet and use cash on delivery.

jjawssd 10y ago

underrated comment

phire 10y ago

And since a large majority of websites import either google analytics or google words, google gets all the infomation for https websites anyway. I'm willing to bet that the terms and conditions for both services allow google to reuse use the analytics infomation.

vortico 10y ago

I can understand why they would want to convince everyone to use HTTPS to restrict access of your data from their competitors, but it limits the data they can collect as well. HTTPS has stricter cross domain policies so their ads would gather less information and their Fiber ISP would no longer be able to collect data by tapping connections. But on average, I think you're right that HTTPS would restrict more of your data to Verizon etc than to Google.

a3_nm 10y ago

Exactly. My understanding of the push towards HTTPS by Google is that they control the websites more than they control the connectivity, so they want to make sure that ISPs can only aspire to be substitutable intermediaries between users and websites. Putting everything in HTTPS makes traffic opaque to ISPs.

Jweb_Guru 10y ago

This is ascribing an absurd level of Machiavellian intent to Google. Why can't people just accept that occasionally, Google engineers do stuff that isn't profitable to the parent company?

witty_username 10y ago
Just speculating, but I think Google is at such a huge scale whenever the internet wins Google wins. That's why they're trying to improve internet access with Project Loon and WiFi in Indian railway stations. If privacy improves that will benefit the internet (privacy has real costs that don't involve state actors like hackers, etc). Many people, especially in developing countries, are afraid of transactions over the internet and use cash on delivery.