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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product "is a product with just enough features to gather val

by heeton 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product "is a product with just enough features to gather validated learning about the product and its continued development" If people are willing to pay for something, even before it has any features, that seems like a pretty good MVP to me. Assuming that people are paying for it that is...

bborud 10y ago
Thanks, I know what it is and I am up to my arse in people who believe this has value despite having actual _validated learning_ that overwhelmingly points to the opposite. It turns out that when you fuck around with your customers and tell them that you have a product, only to have them find out that you have fuck-all and you are cobbling it together as they wait, your customers lose faith in you and think you are a douchebag. And rightly so. Because pretending isn't doing. Eric Ries has done untold damage to the tech and the business world. He is successful at one thing and one thing only: writing and marketing a book. Generous people call his book a post-fact rationalization of success, but that would be overstating it grossly. Because he didn't have any success to rationalize post-fact. It makes me angry that people think this horseshit has anything to do with creating value. Doing stuff and knowing how to do stuff has value. Yanking people around with smoke and mirrors does not. It mostly ends up wasting time and time is the one resource you can't get back.
- Clubber 10y ago
  Yes, maybe I'm missing something but from what I'm reading, he has a marketing website and a payment system to take payments for ?? what? Is there a product? I've always understood a MVP to be a product to have just enough features to add core value immediately. Bells and whistles to add more value are not included, but core value is. For example, if you are writing scheduling software, MVP would be able to schedule better than, say on pen and paper, or whatever is standard functionality in the current market space. Future value would be adding features to "cast a wider net," so to speak. Do people seriously consider MVP a way to pay for vaporware? Am I misunderstanding the situation?

by heeton 10y ago

bborud 10y ago

Thanks, I know what it is and I am up to my arse in people who believe this has value despite having actual _validated learning_ that overwhelmingly points to the opposite. It turns out that when you fuck around with your customers and tell them that you have a product, only to have them find out that you have fuck-all and you are cobbling it together as they wait, your customers lose faith in you and think you are a douchebag. And rightly so. Because pretending isn't doing. Eric Ries has done untold damage to the tech and the business world. He is successful at one thing and one thing only: writing and marketing a book. Generous people call his book a post-fact rationalization of success, but that would be overstating it grossly. Because he didn't have any success to rationalize post-fact. It makes me angry that people think this horseshit has anything to do with creating value. Doing stuff and knowing how to do stuff has value. Yanking people around with smoke and mirrors does not. It mostly ends up wasting time and time is the one resource you can't get back.

Clubber 10y ago
Yes, maybe I'm missing something but from what I'm reading, he has a marketing website and a payment system to take payments for ?? what? Is there a product? I've always understood a MVP to be a product to have just enough features to add core value immediately. Bells and whistles to add more value are not included, but core value is. For example, if you are writing scheduling software, MVP would be able to schedule better than, say on pen and paper, or whatever is standard functionality in the current market space. Future value would be adding features to "cast a wider net," so to speak. Do people seriously consider MVP a way to pay for vaporware? Am I misunderstanding the situation?