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First, Avaya does run on common x86 servers as well as virtualized and has for many years. Linux and Xen if fact. Many implementations of freeswitch/asterisk f
by dade_ 10y ago
First, Avaya does run on common x86 servers as well as virtualized and has for many years. Linux and Xen if fact.
Many implementations of freeswitch/asterisk fell apart as they simply don't scale to thousands of users. Yes, I know about Kamailio. Scale doesn't just mean have 50,000 endpoints register to the system and handle the busy hour call volume. It needs to be secure (Avaya encrypts H.323 and SIP very easily (Cisco actually doesn't do well here)). Which means you need to be able manage certs for each gateway, phone and application server. It's needs to be manageable with have full access control and it needs to provide the tools support the environment. A rich ecosystem of proven integrations help here too.
Further, contact centre, when you have 1000 agents, or 25000, the cost of each of those agents doing nothing on a revenue contact centre because of a system crash is wildly expensive. Further, in the event of a major failure of a DC, many such customers also require triple redundancy with each system being able to failover with limited or no impact to the business.
Federal governments require certifications that are very arduous and require substantial techical resources and capital.
I could go on, but this mostly covers Enterprise and federal government.
Now for small businesses it's a completely different issue. FreePBX is ridiculously difficult to configure. Very few people have the skills to understand how to develop and build a dial plan, how to integrate with SIP Trunks from a carrier, and even if they manage that the gateways that are from these other companies have a completely different interface and a completely different skillset. It's simply too hard especially when I can go and pay a small amount per month and either get some kind of a cloud service. Probably the best example for a commercial/open source offer is Digium. But they haven't gained substantial market share compared to the likes of Avaya IP office, Shoretel, Cisco, etc. However, if you do the math, these small systems are actually cheaper than cloud provider because you can run them with very low recurring expense.
In my opinion, Avaya doesn't have a long road ahead. But it had nothing to do with their technology, nothing to do with their business practices, it was entirely the destruction of a business by a private equity firm who thought they could make a quick buck but completely screwed up.
- builtinbuffalo 10y agoThis is true, but new competitors also haven't been around as long as Avaya. Before Asterisk and other software hit the market, there were four players - Avaya, Cisco, Mitel and Nortel. Now there are dozens of large players and hundreds of medium sized ones. These companies are gaining market share in the enterprise - just checkout the exhibitor list for enterprise connect 17.
- jessaustin 10y agoIn addition, there are random local dudes who can set up an office Asterisk system based on commodity hardware for like $2000, and whom you can pay another $200 every couple of years when something needs to be changed. An Avaya system can't get close to that.
- tsomctl 10y agoI've torn out several Asterisk systems because that random local dude grew tired of dealing with Asterisk. Toshiba, which is a competitor of Avaya, does get close to that.
- jessaustin 10y agoAsterisk is completely scriptable. Somehow I doubt that Toshiba system can do what we've needed done with respect to different stations ringing at different times of day, complicated dialing permissions, logging Charter Business outages, recording customer service interactions, etc. Each of those things required a small amount of labor, and no equipment purchases. Of course our dude might leave the industry someday. Then we might have to hire a different dude.
- tsomctl 10y ago> Asterisk is completely scriptable. I'm absolutely positive Asterisk is better than Toshiba in that regard. I've invented some absolutely hideous hacks to get Toshiba systems do complicated call flow. But for a minuscule office with less than 8 phones, say a chiropractor or hand made guitar manufacturer, Toshiba does the basics, does it well, and is much easier to install. The systems don't do much, but they do it well. The pbx can hang in a damp and dirty location for years and still work. Internet service here is too unreliable to have a hosting solution or sip trunks, unless you want to pay AT&T thousands a month. The wiring can be 50 year old 25 pair, and the phones work fine. Businesses don't want to switch to ip phones since they don't have the cabling infrastructure for it.