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IPFS – The Permanent Web

67 points by rootkea 10y ago

xkarga00 10y ago
Previous discussion on IPFS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12772093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12772093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10187555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10187555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11134766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11134766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321209 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321209 Does anybody have any info on the development of Filecoin (sister protocol of IPFS)?
- cuonic 10y ago
  IPFS seems to be posted at least once every two weeks, maybe they're looking for repo traffic.
aw3c2 10y ago
What I would really love to see are "usecase recipes" like "I would like to share this data like that with those, what would be a good way to do so?". IPFS looks so cool and useful but I am always totally overloaded with its technical details and apparent complexity.
- viraptor 10y ago
  Have you got some specific use cases you'd like to see? I could write a post about it.
LAMike 10y ago
I recently used IPFS and Bitcoin for a hackathon to create a Blockchain Identity site using readable Bitcoin addresses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwiqyT0lLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwiqyT0lLg http://ronary.com http://ronary.com
maxekman 10y ago
I didn't know about this, looks really interesting! How large are the chances that this could replace HTTP and when could that realistically happen?
- libeclipse 10y ago
  Not very high. They're designed to do different things. For example, IPFS only allows raw files and client-sidr code. This is not suitable for e-commerce websites or businesses, but very suitable for open-source and informational websites. They solve different problems, so shouldn't be confused. Maybe someday in the future, IPFS could be integrated into browsers for a seamless experience between the two technologies, and that'd be pretty cool.
  - maxekman 10y ago
    That sound very cool indeed.
  - scalio 10y ago
    Benet said in a talk that they're working on making e-commerce work in distributed systems. Ethereum for instance does exactly that.
- viraptor 10y ago
  Replace? None. Ipfs does not provide privacy which eliminates it from any direct http->ipfs conversions that require typical login. (You could potentially rearchitect the service, but that's not trivial) But for some specific use cases, it's pretty good. Here are some examples: https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs/blob/master/README.md
  - maxekman 10y ago
    Thanks, that's a good write up. The wiki use case looks interesting!
- espadrine 10y ago
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orf 10y ago
I set up an IPFS node(?) on my server last night. The server has 3TB of space, so I thought I would be a good internet citizen and donate some space to mirror some of the ipfs archives (https://archives.ipfs.io/ https://archives.ipfs.io/). Simple, right? So I installed and launched the ipfs docker image and then ran `ipfs pin add QmTZeE4yTiDd76YxbWvenneqSf5VhooNnA46WWWHtHcu5n`. I thought this would download that hash (IETF RFC Archive) locally and mirror it. Instead the command just hung there. No output. Left it for an hour, still no output. Debug mode was useless and printed out nothing interesting. It took me a long while to realize that `ipfs pin add` takes a file path of a local file and pins it (or something? still not clear). Ok. So lets run `ipfs get QmTZeE4yTiDd76YxbWvenneqSf5VhooNnA46WWWHtHcu5n` and then we can run `ipfs pin add local-hash`. Hmm, no output and no progress at all. After an hour there was some form of output that said I had downloaded 15mb of the archive, and it would take 8 more minutes to do. It still said this two hours later. Ok, so lets leave it overnight in a screen session. Cut to next morning, I wake up to a message from my provider saying that they detected a port scan originating from my server, specifically from the port that ipfs uses. I think their detection systems misclassified the traffic, but it's just extra hassle. And the archive was still on 15mb completed. It's a very interesting technology, and it looks great for simple text files, but the UI is terrible. You want some kind of permanent web? Surely asking people to explicitly pin specific files isn't the way forward, wouldn't being able to say "I want to donate X gb of disk space, cache some stuff for people to use" be better?
- xkarga00 10y ago
  > wouldn't being able to say "I want to donate X gb of disk space, cache some stuff for people to use" be better? I believe this is addressed by Filecoin http://filecoin.io/filecoin.pdf http://filecoin.io/filecoin.pdf
- exo762 10y ago
  IPFS is using model where it is possible to increase a number of copies of file by downloading it, but it's impossible to upload file to machines of other people. If you are looking for different model - take a look on Ethereum's Swarm. They also approach persistency problem in a different, arguably better way.
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digi_owl 10y ago
A better link may have been their actual site, ipfs.io.

67 points by rootkea 10y ago

Previous discussion on IPFS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12772093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12772093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10187555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10187555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8069836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11134766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11134766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321209 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321209 Does anybody have any info on the development of Filecoin (sister protocol of IPFS)?

cuonic 10y ago
IPFS seems to be posted at least once every two weeks, maybe they're looking for repo traffic.

aw3c2 10y ago

What I would really love to see are "usecase recipes" like "I would like to share this data like that with those, what would be a good way to do so?". IPFS looks so cool and useful but I am always totally overloaded with its technical details and apparent complexity.

viraptor 10y ago
Have you got some specific use cases you'd like to see? I could write a post about it.

LAMike 10y ago

I recently used IPFS and Bitcoin for a hackathon to create a Blockchain Identity site using readable Bitcoin addresses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwiqyT0lLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwiqyT0lLg http://ronary.com http://ronary.com

maxekman 10y ago

I didn't know about this, looks really interesting! How large are the chances that this could replace HTTP and when could that realistically happen?

libeclipse 10y ago
Not very high. They're designed to do different things. For example, IPFS only allows raw files and client-sidr code. This is not suitable for e-commerce websites or businesses, but very suitable for open-source and informational websites. They solve different problems, so shouldn't be confused. Maybe someday in the future, IPFS could be integrated into browsers for a seamless experience between the two technologies, and that'd be pretty cool.
- maxekman 10y ago
  That sound very cool indeed.
- scalio 10y ago
  Benet said in a talk that they're working on making e-commerce work in distributed systems. Ethereum for instance does exactly that.
viraptor 10y ago
Replace? None. Ipfs does not provide privacy which eliminates it from any direct http->ipfs conversions that require typical login. (You could potentially rearchitect the service, but that's not trivial) But for some specific use cases, it's pretty good. Here are some examples: https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/ipfs/awesome-ipfs/blob/master/README.md
- maxekman 10y ago
  Thanks, that's a good write up. The wiki use case looks interesting!
espadrine 10y ago

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orf 10y ago

I set up an IPFS node(?) on my server last night. The server has 3TB of space, so I thought I would be a good internet citizen and donate some space to mirror some of the ipfs archives (https://archives.ipfs.io/ https://archives.ipfs.io/). Simple, right? So I installed and launched the ipfs docker image and then ran `ipfs pin add QmTZeE4yTiDd76YxbWvenneqSf5VhooNnA46WWWHtHcu5n`. I thought this would download that hash (IETF RFC Archive) locally and mirror it. Instead the command just hung there. No output. Left it for an hour, still no output. Debug mode was useless and printed out nothing interesting. It took me a long while to realize that `ipfs pin add` takes a file path of a local file and pins it (or something? still not clear). Ok. So lets run `ipfs get QmTZeE4yTiDd76YxbWvenneqSf5VhooNnA46WWWHtHcu5n` and then we can run `ipfs pin add local-hash`. Hmm, no output and no progress at all. After an hour there was some form of output that said I had downloaded 15mb of the archive, and it would take 8 more minutes to do. It still said this two hours later. Ok, so lets leave it overnight in a screen session. Cut to next morning, I wake up to a message from my provider saying that they detected a port scan originating from my server, specifically from the port that ipfs uses. I think their detection systems misclassified the traffic, but it's just extra hassle. And the archive was still on 15mb completed. It's a very interesting technology, and it looks great for simple text files, but the UI is terrible. You want some kind of permanent web? Surely asking people to explicitly pin specific files isn't the way forward, wouldn't being able to say "I want to donate X gb of disk space, cache some stuff for people to use" be better?

xkarga00 10y ago
> wouldn't being able to say "I want to donate X gb of disk space, cache some stuff for people to use" be better? I believe this is addressed by Filecoin http://filecoin.io/filecoin.pdf http://filecoin.io/filecoin.pdf
exo762 10y ago
IPFS is using model where it is possible to increase a number of copies of file by downloading it, but it's impossible to upload file to machines of other people. If you are looking for different model - take a look on Ethereum's Swarm. They also approach persistency problem in a different, arguably better way.
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digi_owl 10y ago

A better link may have been their actual site, ipfs.io.