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Genuinely curious if anyone here experienced something similar (being asked to unlock all your devices) and if so how often?

by anondon 10y ago

psybin 10y ago
It's standard. All people who are taken aside by customs in the US are given a standard form which asks for all passwords and keys for all devices they own. This is so they can immediately use the content on them to reject you from the country. It's presented to you in such a way that you are to believe you have no option but to fill out the form. You're offered the ability to talk to your embassy, but are told that is a useless opportunity that won't get you anything of value.
- 0xffff2 10y ago
  Since no one is explicitly saltating it, this only applies to non-citizens, right? What's the process when a U.S. citizen is "taken aside"? I would categorically tell them to fuck off. Do I face jail time instrad of refused entry?
  - psybin 10y ago
    Non US citizens. Ask a lawyer.
  - rosser 10y ago
    US citizens can't be denied entry. They can, however, have their devices seized upon entry, and can enter the country, only to proceed directly into custody, whether CBP or someone else's.
  - ubernostrum 10y ago
    In general, a US citizen can be detained for some time, interrogated and searched in an unpleasant fashion, have property they carry with them seized, and be subjected to (illegal, but it happens regardless) retaliatory prosecution under nuisance-type charges for being uncooperative or for being perceived to challenge the authority of the CBP employee, but cannot be denied entry to the United States.
    - angry_octet 10y ago
      But you can get added to the no fly list, which is effectively the same thing, as no carrier will take you. (You have to fly to e.g. Canada and cross at a land crossing.)
  - kalleboo 10y ago
    The blog post we're commenting was written by an American, so that's what happens to citizens. If he was not a citizen, he would not have been let in.
- patrickdavey 10y ago
  So you are allowed to refuse? Does that automatically sent you entry / get you blacklisted forever?
- lucb1e 10y ago
  Wow. Seriously wow. I thought this was the kind of shit that they do to Julian Assange and other big names, not standard procedure.
- Vinkekatten 10y ago
  What I don't hear anyone in this thread talk about is, what happens if you present them with a blank device? Say I have a brand new chromebook, no logins, no data. Brand new phone, five emergency contacts and no messages. No logins. Brand new google account. Won't that look pretty suspicious to mr. wannabe Jack Bauer in the TSA?

Genuinely curious if anyone here experienced something similar (being asked to unlock all your devices) and if so how often?

by anondon 10y ago

Genuinely curious if anyone here experienced something similar (being asked to unlock all your devices) and if so how often?

psybin 10y ago

It's standard. All people who are taken aside by customs in the US are given a standard form which asks for all passwords and keys for all devices they own. This is so they can immediately use the content on them to reject you from the country. It's presented to you in such a way that you are to believe you have no option but to fill out the form. You're offered the ability to talk to your embassy, but are told that is a useless opportunity that won't get you anything of value.

0xffff2 10y ago
Since no one is explicitly saltating it, this only applies to non-citizens, right? What's the process when a U.S. citizen is "taken aside"? I would categorically tell them to fuck off. Do I face jail time instrad of refused entry?
- psybin 10y ago
  Non US citizens. Ask a lawyer.
- rosser 10y ago
  US citizens can't be denied entry. They can, however, have their devices seized upon entry, and can enter the country, only to proceed directly into custody, whether CBP or someone else's.
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  In general, a US citizen can be detained for some time, interrogated and searched in an unpleasant fashion, have property they carry with them seized, and be subjected to (illegal, but it happens regardless) retaliatory prosecution under nuisance-type charges for being uncooperative or for being perceived to challenge the authority of the CBP employee, but cannot be denied entry to the United States.
  - angry_octet 10y ago
    But you can get added to the no fly list, which is effectively the same thing, as no carrier will take you. (You have to fly to e.g. Canada and cross at a land crossing.)
- kalleboo 10y ago
  The blog post we're commenting was written by an American, so that's what happens to citizens. If he was not a citizen, he would not have been let in.
patrickdavey 10y ago
So you are allowed to refuse? Does that automatically sent you entry / get you blacklisted forever?
lucb1e 10y ago
Wow. Seriously wow. I thought this was the kind of shit that they do to Julian Assange and other big names, not standard procedure.
Vinkekatten 10y ago
What I don't hear anyone in this thread talk about is, what happens if you present them with a blank device? Say I have a brand new chromebook, no logins, no data. Brand new phone, five emergency contacts and no messages. No logins. Brand new google account. Won't that look pretty suspicious to mr. wannabe Jack Bauer in the TSA?