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> If Mr. Zuckerberg takes seriously his oft-stated commitments to diversity and openness, he must grapple honestly with the fact that Facebook is no longer jus

> If Mr. Zuckerberg takes seriously his oft-stated commitments to diversity and openness, he must grapple honestly with the fact that Facebook is no longer just a social network. It’s an advertising medium that’s now dangerously easy to weaponize. The story is chilling. It more or less proves that Trump campaign and the Billionaire Republican donor who owns the Data Analytics site used Facebook to profile people and send targeted "fear" stories to them and swing the vote away from Clinton. Fear is a great motivator.

Rapzid 10y ago
I'm not sure how the Dem's will compete with this going forward. Maybe it will become taboo and they won't have to. Maybe they already are.. I hope they don't go too deep into the mud on this. It's almost impressive though how well the Republicans, and Trump specifically, are employing these, IMHO shady, tactics. Is it scandalous how little scandal is made of all this(the FUD, populist rhetoric, phycological manipulation, etc)? I can imagine how this would be spun if "evil Hillary" was found to be targeting people with "dark posts".
- Gargoyle 10y ago
  Democrats will use it in completely analogous ways.
  - jackbrian 10y ago
    I agree. However using the same methods in this election, 'establishment' Hillary would have probably come across as big brother-esque whereas Trump as more of a 'new awareness' message to some targeted users (fitting his rhetoric). Surely not in all cases but perhaps notable enough.
  - sean_patel 10y ago
    > analogous ways. I really don't understand what this mean? Can anyone explain?? Thank you :)
    - techwizrd 10y ago
      He's deflecting by saying Democrats will do the same thing. It's a false equivalency.
    - morpher 10y ago
      similar/comparable (https://www.google.com#q=define%20analogous https://www.google.com#q=define%20analogous)
- jjawssd 10y ago
  Zuckerberg really loves Trump and I can see how he is more than willing to help give Trump the platform he needs to continue to spread his propaganda
  - deleted 10y ago
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- SnakePlissken 10y ago
  Google's Eric Schmidt proposed a plan similar to this (though in more ambiguous terms) back in 2014, sharing a draft with Cheryl Mills that was forwarded to the Clinton braintrust (John Podesta, Robby Mook and David Plouffe) and subsequently released by Wikileaks[0]. The use of quizzes as a front detailed in OP's article is especially insidious, but the idea of individually targeting voters with "stories" in such a manner was clearly in play. Whether they followed through with it or not, it seems naive to think they won't do something similar in the future now that Cambridge Analytica has been shown to have been so effective. [0] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262
- tmuir 10y ago
  It's not as if Donald Trump, or anyone else invented this tactic in 2016, or even the 21st century. Mass media has manufactured consent with those tools for as long as there has been a mass media. William Randolph Hearst was a master of it over 100 years ago. This is a subject that very few in the media are willing to report on, because it would delegitimize the media itself. Even if there was a media outlet willing to destroy their reputation and business, good luck convincing human beings that they've been conditioned to behave as they do through media messaging. Brainwashing is Hollywood scifi mumbojumbo, not a scientific explanation for why basic training produces a uniform level of discipline in the military, or why millions of people pay for the privilege of inhaling carcinogens. To top it off, I am well aware of how tinfoil the preceding two paragraphs must sound.
- jerf 10y ago
  Going forward? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-... Obviously, this is not identical, but many of the same principles are in play. You can argue around the edges of who understood exactly who was getting what data but I pretty much guarantee you the bulk of the people didn't know exactly what they had just done then, either. I also do not mean this as a partisan attack, because everyone's gonna do it, and do it better every election cycle, until something major stops them. In 2012 it was widely believed the Republicans simply had no good digital ground game, so I can't really link you to articles about theirs, or I would. And I'm having a hard time imagining what will stop this, short of total internet collapse.
- legodt 10y ago
  I think the fact that the Dems ran Clinton despite more support in key demos for Bernie shows that as of right now they aren't very interested in following data if it conflicts with their other agendas. If this trend continues and extends down to congressional elections, etc. for both parties as it is now (Republicans ready to follow data to build campaigns, Democrats playing out of an opaque narrative), this could spell bad news for the future of the American Democratic party.
  - stephancoral 10y ago
    It's funny because people were playing this exact card during the 2012 election due to Obama's tech-savvy reëlection effort. A lot can change in four years.
- imron 10y ago
  > I can imagine how this would be spun if "evil Hillary" was found to be targeting people with "dark posts". You do realise this article is exactly that kind of post right? Have a look at who wrote it, which foundation funds his fellowship, who created that foundation, and which candidate that billionaire donated funds to and supported. We are all but pawns in the games played by these billionaires. Edit: also, regarding Hillary, don't forget leaked emails from her campaign manager and the DNC showed that they were directly colluding with the media and doing this sort of thing. Not wishy, washy sinister billionaire donor rumors, but actual, verifiable (thanks to DKIM) emails from the DNC and the Hillary campaign itself.
  - GavinMcG 10y ago
    That you are repeating this all over the thread doesn't make it a fact. Sure, if you start with the lens that everything is controlled behind the scenes by shady billionaire puppet masters, then this fits in with that view. But that's just how all the other conspiracy theorists do it, too: hold fast to a predetermined conclusion, highlighting whatever situations you can grab ahold of that look like they fit.
    - potatosoup 10y ago
      How is this different from "everything Trump is doing is an evil Russian conspiracy" claim that most media seems to be pushing these days? E.g. check out the front page of r/politics. I'm sure Trump will suck or fail in many ways (as all elected leaders do), but we've long time ago lost objectivity.
      - GavinMcG 10y ago
        It isn't, necessarily. Why does it have to be? The fact that those opposed to Trump also think poorly at times doesn't excuse poor thinking elsewhere. That said, I just went over to /r/politics and saw zero Russia stories on the front page.
jlarocco 10y ago
It's pretty naive to think the democrats aren't doing the same thing. Maybe not with the same company, but I'm sure they're doing it to some extent.
imron 10y ago
> The story is chilling. Chilling. In fact, you could say it was a "fear" story. All it's missing is the billionaire pulling the strings - except if you look at the tag line at the end you see it was written by someone who is an Open Society Fellow. You know, those fellowships from the Open Society Foundation that are funded by Billionaire Democrat donor George Soros. Did this article make you feel any negativity towards Trump and the Republicans? If so, then for Soros, this was money on dark articles well spent.
wtbob 10y ago
How is that chilling? Were those ads false? Swaying votes away from one's opponents is the definition of running for office. Back in 2008 the Obama campaign ran a very successful information shop and was widely lauded for it; why is it now chilling when a different candidate does the same thing? N.b.: I did not vote for President Trump.

Rapzid 10y ago

I'm not sure how the Dem's will compete with this going forward. Maybe it will become taboo and they won't have to. Maybe they already are.. I hope they don't go too deep into the mud on this. It's almost impressive though how well the Republicans, and Trump specifically, are employing these, IMHO shady, tactics. Is it scandalous how little scandal is made of all this(the FUD, populist rhetoric, phycological manipulation, etc)? I can imagine how this would be spun if "evil Hillary" was found to be targeting people with "dark posts".

Gargoyle 10y ago
Democrats will use it in completely analogous ways.
- jackbrian 10y ago
  I agree. However using the same methods in this election, 'establishment' Hillary would have probably come across as big brother-esque whereas Trump as more of a 'new awareness' message to some targeted users (fitting his rhetoric). Surely not in all cases but perhaps notable enough.
- sean_patel 10y ago
  > analogous ways. I really don't understand what this mean? Can anyone explain?? Thank you :)
  - techwizrd 10y ago
    He's deflecting by saying Democrats will do the same thing. It's a false equivalency.
  - morpher 10y ago
    similar/comparable (https://www.google.com#q=define%20analogous https://www.google.com#q=define%20analogous)
jjawssd 10y ago
Zuckerberg really loves Trump and I can see how he is more than willing to help give Trump the platform he needs to continue to spread his propaganda
- deleted 10y ago
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SnakePlissken 10y ago
Google's Eric Schmidt proposed a plan similar to this (though in more ambiguous terms) back in 2014, sharing a draft with Cheryl Mills that was forwarded to the Clinton braintrust (John Podesta, Robby Mook and David Plouffe) and subsequently released by Wikileaks[0]. The use of quizzes as a front detailed in OP's article is especially insidious, but the idea of individually targeting voters with "stories" in such a manner was clearly in play. Whether they followed through with it or not, it seems naive to think they won't do something similar in the future now that Cambridge Analytica has been shown to have been so effective. [0] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262
tmuir 10y ago
It's not as if Donald Trump, or anyone else invented this tactic in 2016, or even the 21st century. Mass media has manufactured consent with those tools for as long as there has been a mass media. William Randolph Hearst was a master of it over 100 years ago. This is a subject that very few in the media are willing to report on, because it would delegitimize the media itself. Even if there was a media outlet willing to destroy their reputation and business, good luck convincing human beings that they've been conditioned to behave as they do through media messaging. Brainwashing is Hollywood scifi mumbojumbo, not a scientific explanation for why basic training produces a uniform level of discipline in the military, or why millions of people pay for the privilege of inhaling carcinogens. To top it off, I am well aware of how tinfoil the preceding two paragraphs must sound.
jerf 10y ago
Going forward? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-data-machine-facebook-election https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/17/obama-digital-... Obviously, this is not identical, but many of the same principles are in play. You can argue around the edges of who understood exactly who was getting what data but I pretty much guarantee you the bulk of the people didn't know exactly what they had just done then, either. I also do not mean this as a partisan attack, because everyone's gonna do it, and do it better every election cycle, until something major stops them. In 2012 it was widely believed the Republicans simply had no good digital ground game, so I can't really link you to articles about theirs, or I would. And I'm having a hard time imagining what will stop this, short of total internet collapse.
legodt 10y ago
I think the fact that the Dems ran Clinton despite more support in key demos for Bernie shows that as of right now they aren't very interested in following data if it conflicts with their other agendas. If this trend continues and extends down to congressional elections, etc. for both parties as it is now (Republicans ready to follow data to build campaigns, Democrats playing out of an opaque narrative), this could spell bad news for the future of the American Democratic party.
- stephancoral 10y ago
  It's funny because people were playing this exact card during the 2012 election due to Obama's tech-savvy reëlection effort. A lot can change in four years.
imron 10y ago
> I can imagine how this would be spun if "evil Hillary" was found to be targeting people with "dark posts". You do realise this article is exactly that kind of post right? Have a look at who wrote it, which foundation funds his fellowship, who created that foundation, and which candidate that billionaire donated funds to and supported. We are all but pawns in the games played by these billionaires. Edit: also, regarding Hillary, don't forget leaked emails from her campaign manager and the DNC showed that they were directly colluding with the media and doing this sort of thing. Not wishy, washy sinister billionaire donor rumors, but actual, verifiable (thanks to DKIM) emails from the DNC and the Hillary campaign itself.
- GavinMcG 10y ago
  That you are repeating this all over the thread doesn't make it a fact. Sure, if you start with the lens that everything is controlled behind the scenes by shady billionaire puppet masters, then this fits in with that view. But that's just how all the other conspiracy theorists do it, too: hold fast to a predetermined conclusion, highlighting whatever situations you can grab ahold of that look like they fit.
  - potatosoup 10y ago
    How is this different from "everything Trump is doing is an evil Russian conspiracy" claim that most media seems to be pushing these days? E.g. check out the front page of r/politics. I'm sure Trump will suck or fail in many ways (as all elected leaders do), but we've long time ago lost objectivity.
    - GavinMcG 10y ago
      It isn't, necessarily. Why does it have to be? The fact that those opposed to Trump also think poorly at times doesn't excuse poor thinking elsewhere. That said, I just went over to /r/politics and saw zero Russia stories on the front page.

jlarocco 10y ago

It's pretty naive to think the democrats aren't doing the same thing. Maybe not with the same company, but I'm sure they're doing it to some extent.

imron 10y ago

> The story is chilling. Chilling. In fact, you could say it was a "fear" story. All it's missing is the billionaire pulling the strings - except if you look at the tag line at the end you see it was written by someone who is an Open Society Fellow. You know, those fellowships from the Open Society Foundation that are funded by Billionaire Democrat donor George Soros. Did this article make you feel any negativity towards Trump and the Republicans? If so, then for Soros, this was money on dark articles well spent.

wtbob 10y ago

How is that chilling? Were those ads false? Swaying votes away from one's opponents is the definition of running for office. Back in 2008 the Obama campaign ran a very successful information shop and was widely lauded for it; why is it now chilling when a different candidate does the same thing? N.b.: I did not vote for President Trump.