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[Edit: if a potential employer asked my previous salary] I would have zero qualms (zero) saying any number I wanted. If I was asked for paystubs I would say I'l
by logicallee 10y ago
[Edit: if a potential employer asked my previous salary] I would have zero qualms (zero) saying any number I wanted. If I was asked for paystubs I would say I'll get them later and add that the number may not have been exact, it could be off substantially I want to be upfront about that. If I have to put a number in a form and sign that I swear it is accurate, I would put an asterisk and explain that it is indicative of what I want them to think.
I don't see ethical problems with this behavior. It is practically what I actually would do.
If HR absolutely cannot start without my notarized sworn copy of pay stubs then I would not work there, and their loss. For anyone else, HR's job is to find qualified people, they are not going to kick you out once they've started onboarding you.
You don't have to lie, but you don't have to answer their questions any more than they have to ask yours about their company - HR doesn't work far from payroll, if as part of your interviews you asked to know the CEO's salary, would they tell you? Or the ratio between then lowest and highest salary at the company? (2.5x, 3x, 5x, 10x, 50x, 100x)
Things don't have to be hard and fast. If they don't like how I roll they can hire someone else. If I don't like their level of transparency I can refuse their offer.
Plus they're free to fire me if they don't like me.
You should answer illegal questions the same way. e.g. in an interview, how old are you. Say whatever you want, just add "I don't like to give am exact age just use that". If they're surprised that a 55 year old shows up too bad for them. Fire you if they don't like it. You're not paid to be 25 and you're not paid to have a certain salary history. You're paid to do a certain job - everything else is just friction.
Say whatever you want, as long as you can do the job. Don't lie about degrees or credentials.
Don't practice law or perform surgery without a license.
- prostoalex 10y ago> and add that the number may not have been exact, it could be off substantially Beyond pure monetary compensation, there are various non-monetary parameters - quality of health plan, quality and employee cost of dental plan, parental leave policy, 401(k) matching, mobile phone or Internet reimbursement, employer stock purchase plan - that any random number feels like a good ballpark estimate. E.g. how does one value a health PPO with monthly premium $298 per family vs Kaiser HMO at $152 a month? A 5-day vs 3-week parental leave? The answer is highly dependent on personal circumstances, such as distance from home to the nearest Kaiser facility and whether or not someone in the family is expecting. The value of either might be $0 if interviewee plans to stay covered by spousal health plan and does not plan to have children.
- logicallee 10y agoI'm not sure if you got my meaning - I added the part you quote at the top of your comment as a "CYA" (cover your ass.) For example say someone is a 22 year old very expert programmer with a degree from a top school who for some reason is only making $35k. I would advise them to have zero qualms to lie and say they are making $75K (with the cya line that this number could be off substantially) if they were interviewing for a job paying $80k. Because they are being paid to do a job, not to be of a certain age or have a certain salary history. That's my opinion anyway. If what you've given is further cya points - then by all means, use them.
- user5994461 10y agoI am glad there is at least one person in this thread who can handle a negotiation properly.