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> You can choose not to answer it; you can lie; you can choose not to work for employers that ask the question in the first place, especially if they coerce you
by tabeth 10y ago
> You can choose not to answer it; you can lie; you can choose not to work for employers that ask the question in the first place, especially if they coerce you into providing records.
>> you can choose not to work for employers that ask the question in the first place
>>> you can choose not to work
And here is the disconnect. Not everyone has the ability to simply "choose not to work...". Hence, laws. Your reasoning could be applied to simply working in general. After all, one can just choose not to work until they find a job that meets all of their criteria (salary, vacation time, commute, great people, great mission, etc). Unfortunately, life doesn't work like that.
- dsfyu404ed 10y agoThe (typically salaried) people that get to negotiate their pay that this stuff affects do have those choices.
- lend000 10y agoNot that I agree with the logical leaps here, but you skipped a step: > you can choose not to work for employers You don't have to work for any particular employer, and you also don't have to work for any employer at all. You can consult, contract, start a company, etc. But of course this is not necessary even if you're basing your entire career around avoiding that question, because it's not like every single employer asks it.
- tabeth 10y agoI skipped that step because it leads to the same conclusion. Or do you think a regular person in this country is capable of consulting, contracting, starting a company, etc?
- lend000 10y agoContracting? Yes... Starting a company? Sure. There sure are a lot of restaurants, food trucks, and dry cleaners out there. Although it's not easy with all the legal barriers to entry created by well-intentioned regulators like yourself :) This is a tangent, but the whole nanny-state ideology advocated by many of the people arguing with me here is the reason people are so dependent on employers instead of having freedom to easily create their own enterprises. But this is not necessary regardless, as I addressed in my previous closing statement. Edit: curious if HN users are downvoting based on opinion versus content. Feels a bit like a hive mind whenever I post against a generally left-leaning argument.
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- coolgeek 10y agoContracting and consulting is a legal/economic framework for shifting the risk/reward ratio from the entity purchasing services to the entity providing the services. It does nothing to change the market of service purchasers in any way. As such, if you had problems as an employee with the pool of service purchasers, you're going to have those same problems as a vendor of services. > Although [starting a business] is not easy with all the legal barriers to entry created by well-intentioned regulators like yourself :) Because that's the hard part of a successful business?