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From the comments >This individual case is just the result of terminating Solaris 12 development. Part of the old Sun software, operating system, picked up when
by jimnotgym 10y ago
From the comments
>This individual case is just the result of terminating Solaris 12 development. Part of the old Sun software, operating system, picked up when Oracle bought Sun. Not a big deal.
So so canning the special operating system for your special hardware which is purpose built for your flagship product in 'not a big deal'?
This week I told the rep from Netsuite that there is no way we are buying Oracle products, if we can help it, and he seemed actually shocked. How long before Salesforce comes in house and is ruined too? I would spend a lot of labour on Postgres to avoid Oracle again.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago> I would spend a lot of labour on Postgres to avoid Oracle again. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time to start is today.
- jimnotgym 10y agoOur current Oracle DB is regarded by us as being phased out. We bought hopefully our last SPARC 18 months ago.
- protomyth 10y agoI'd love to, but I guess I'm in the situation a lot of folks are in. One of our software vendors used Oracle for its backend, so we have the privilege of having to pay for an Oracle DB, but we also don't get direct support. Sadly, we haven't hit the point where we cannot replace the damn software. The other thing that truly ticks me off is the lack of any virtualization option for the damn thing that doesn't 8x my current cost. These damn fools actually had the nerve to call me about their HR software. I would rather buy another iSeries machine, thanks. Oh well, it goes so well with the PowerBuilder-based database some government agency foisted on all its grant recipients. At least I don't have to pay a per CPU fee for that one.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoI don't expect everyone to be able to do so. I'm simply saying that if the opportunity to migrate presents itself in a cost effective manner, do so. If scoping/requirements comes up, recommend Postgresql over Oracle at the beginning of the project. Do what you can, where you are, with what you have.
- jimnotgym 10y agoI wish there was an ERP on the market that would allow me to do that! ERP is about as locked in as a company can get, isn't it. At the moment anything involving Oracle is not under consideration
- justinclift 10y agoJust to point out xTuple (ERP using PostgreSQL) exists and has a decent reputation: https://xtuple.com https://xtuple.com Haven't used it personally though. :)
- jimnotgym 10y agoThanks,thats a nice idea. Unfortunately their UK partner seems a little small and niche for our needs.
- zoom6628 10y agoTry Epicor ERP or one of their other ERP products if you are in a more specialist industry.
- jimnotgym 10y agoI thought Epicor was the graveyard of ERP businesses?
- MyPussyFarts 10y agohttp://www.viennaadvantage.com http://www.viennaadvantage.com is the dick you should be sucking of you need a decent ERP suite
- cryptozeus 10y agoThis applies to everything in life !!! :)
- toomuchtodo 10y agoIndeed!
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- mbesto 10y agoSalesforce looks like they're doing it: http://fortune.com/2016/05/11/salesforce-two-software-worlds/ http://fortune.com/2016/05/11/salesforce-two-software-worlds...
- jimnotgym 10y agoHowever a significant part of Salesforce is owned by one Larry Ellison....
- PhantomGremlin 10y agoI told the rep from Netsuite that there is no way we are buying Oracle products, if we can help it I would be very careful of statements like this, unless you're the CEO. Standard modus operandi for Oracle sales people is for them to go around technical people and work relationships with C-suite types. So don't be surprised if your rep is playing golf with your CEO sometime in the near future.
- nihonde 10y agoThe good news is CIOs that implement ERP are often replaced after it fails.
- jimnotgym 10y agoI agree that would be a very real risk in lots of organizations. Luckily it was me he was offering the entertainment to on this occasion! I tend to be a bit more canny with these people, but he rather pushed me too far when he said, 'I'm not sure you understand the difference between hosted solutions and true cloud products', like I was making a huge mistake. It is a bad ploy with me to tell me I am wrong in not buying his product, because I don't have the mental capacity to recognize its advantages. For balance I told a MS NAV partner who was pushing the 'nobody gets fired for buying MS' angle, that I wouldn't even let MS on my home PC, so he better concentrate on what the product does. I'm in a curious position in my current role of being across finance and tech, and you are correct this may not be a good ploy for others in more conventional roles.
- wil421 10y agoCan confirm, many stories from my company where the CIO and VPs go golfing with oracle. Come back with a decision to choose oracle. Even though they have a subpar solution years behind the competition.
- chris_wot 10y agoWell, he'd better get ready to keep getting shocked. Companies have been divesting their Oracle infrastructure for years now. Nobody wants to be audited by Oracle and then find they have to purchase useless products to ensure they don't get sued. From a security perspective, Oracle is pretty awful. They have a history of responding to bug reports with cease and desist letters for violating copyright. Their support is dreadful - and given they are such a black box then there are many folks who actually need decent support. It's very expensive to tune workloads, and their CBO is such a pain that anytime even a point release comes out you need to carefully reproduce every query rewrite, index and set of statistics to see if it is screwing up somewhere. In short: there are vanishingly less reasons to use them, be they either technical, monetary or ethical. No one will shed a tear if this behemoth goes under.
- droopyEyelids 10y agoSpoken like an engineer. Oracle knows better than to allow engineers to be consulted during purchasing decisions.
- rodgerd 10y agoIf only engineers weren't so garbage at talking to the rest of the company, they might have more of a say.
- chris_wot 10y agoThis is an old chestnut so I can only assume that you say this tongue in cheek! P.S. I'm not an engineer, far from it. The problem with doing business at the CEO/CIO level alone is that others can do the same, and almost certainly are doing likewise. That's a lot of golf.
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoIf it's just Solaris, well, a lot of valuable employees had walked when Oracle killed OpenSolaris, making the OS closed-source again.