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How about everything about Hillary Clinton and rigging the primary against Bernie via Podesta via Wikileaks?

curt15 10y ago
I'm glad that their shameless cheating at that debate with the help of Donna Brazile got exposed. But what are some other examples of "rigging the primary against Bernie"? While the DNC obviously didn't like him (in the same way that the RNC didn't want Trump), what concrete actions were taken to undermine him?
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  Primary rules that excluded independent voters who, no shock here, ended up voting for Trump as they couldn't get a decent candidate from the DNC. And debate schedules purposely designed by DWS to keep them off of prime time TV. I don't like Trump, but I'm glad he won; the DNC and Clinton needed a lesson taught.
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    > Primary rules that excluded independent voters That's a bit like complaining that I only invite my friends to my birthday party.
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      If you're expecting independents to vote for your party, you should probably allow them to contribute to selecting your nominee. Otherwise, people like me who would've voted for Bernie Sanders voted for Donald Trump.
      - ceejayoz 10y ago
        > Otherwise, people like me who would've voted for Bernie Sanders voted for Donald Trump. You're doing a really, really good job of making my point for me. I suspect the Democrats aren't all that moved by the argument "Trump supporters should be allowed to help pick the Democratic nominee!"
        macintux 10y ago
        It was a scary day when I realized this election could have easily been Trump (D) vs Cruz. Of course, we still got screwed.
        toomuchtodo 10y ago
        Then the DNC can continue to lose future elections. I'm not a Trump supporter; I voted against Clinton, and my vote was first to Sanders. I'm happy with my vote; Trump winning has galvanized progressive coalitions in a way that wouldn't have happened if Clinton had won. Establishment Democrats who aren't progressive enough need to die off faster. Then the Demoractic party might run candidates worth voting for.
      - TheCoelacanth 10y ago
        It's not the party's decision, is it? It's decided by the state's election laws.
  - blackguardx 10y ago
    The republican party in Colorado didn't even have a primary. They just chose the candidate they wanted. No one was allowed to vote. Shouldn't the republicans be taught some lesson as well?
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      The republicans were taught a lesson. None of the party establishment wanted Trump to be the nominee; and here we are. Actively fighting him provided them no purchase; the (republican) public still won.
- tossacct444 10y ago
  Exit polls considerably off from what the primary election results were, specifically in states with electronic voting machines, has been well documented.
- pdkl95 10y ago
  https://amp.twimg.com/v/03ede159-adc7-4eee-84f5-9caa28e1bda6 https://amp.twimg.com/v/03ede159-adc7-4eee-84f5-9caa28e1bda6 (video of "democracy" at the NV caucus) Was it "rigging"? That depends on your interpretation, but it obviously wasn't a functioning democracy.
noobermin 10y ago
Which Greenwald discussed extensively...
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MaxfordAndSons 10y ago
Those weren't leaked by public servants acting on their conscience, they were stolen by hackers and delivered to Wikileaks, so it's not a relevant example.
tmuir 10y ago
I think Greenwald disagrees with WikiLeaks firehose model of get it all out there, unfiltered. In the case of the diplomatic cables leak, that effectively exposed undercover agents.

I'm glad that their shameless cheating at that debate with the help of Donna Brazile got exposed. But what are some other examples of "rigging the primary against Bernie"? While the DNC obviously didn't like him (in the same way that the RNC didn't want Trump), what concrete actions were taken to undermine him?

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Primary rules that excluded independent voters who, no shock here, ended up voting for Trump as they couldn't get a decent candidate from the DNC. And debate schedules purposely designed by DWS to keep them off of prime time TV. I don't like Trump, but I'm glad he won; the DNC and Clinton needed a lesson taught.
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  > Primary rules that excluded independent voters That's a bit like complaining that I only invite my friends to my birthday party.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    If you're expecting independents to vote for your party, you should probably allow them to contribute to selecting your nominee. Otherwise, people like me who would've voted for Bernie Sanders voted for Donald Trump.
    - ceejayoz 10y ago
      > Otherwise, people like me who would've voted for Bernie Sanders voted for Donald Trump. You're doing a really, really good job of making my point for me. I suspect the Democrats aren't all that moved by the argument "Trump supporters should be allowed to help pick the Democratic nominee!"
      - macintux 10y ago
        It was a scary day when I realized this election could have easily been Trump (D) vs Cruz. Of course, we still got screwed.
      - toomuchtodo 10y ago
        Then the DNC can continue to lose future elections. I'm not a Trump supporter; I voted against Clinton, and my vote was first to Sanders. I'm happy with my vote; Trump winning has galvanized progressive coalitions in a way that wouldn't have happened if Clinton had won. Establishment Democrats who aren't progressive enough need to die off faster. Then the Demoractic party might run candidates worth voting for.
    - TheCoelacanth 10y ago
      It's not the party's decision, is it? It's decided by the state's election laws.
- blackguardx 10y ago
  The republican party in Colorado didn't even have a primary. They just chose the candidate they wanted. No one was allowed to vote. Shouldn't the republicans be taught some lesson as well?
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    The republicans were taught a lesson. None of the party establishment wanted Trump to be the nominee; and here we are. Actively fighting him provided them no purchase; the (republican) public still won.
tossacct444 10y ago
Exit polls considerably off from what the primary election results were, specifically in states with electronic voting machines, has been well documented.
pdkl95 10y ago
https://amp.twimg.com/v/03ede159-adc7-4eee-84f5-9caa28e1bda6 https://amp.twimg.com/v/03ede159-adc7-4eee-84f5-9caa28e1bda6 (video of "democracy" at the NV caucus) Was it "rigging"? That depends on your interpretation, but it obviously wasn't a functioning democracy.

noobermin 10y ago

Which Greenwald discussed extensively...

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MaxfordAndSons 10y ago

Those weren't leaked by public servants acting on their conscience, they were stolen by hackers and delivered to Wikileaks, so it's not a relevant example.

tmuir 10y ago

I think Greenwald disagrees with WikiLeaks firehose model of get it all out there, unfiltered. In the case of the diplomatic cables leak, that effectively exposed undercover agents.