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Could you show your work? You're valuing "decentralied and truly free" as significantly more valuable than (far superior to) the sum total of GitHub Slack featu

Could you show your work? You're valuing "decentralied and truly free" as significantly more valuable than (far superior to) the sum total of GitHub Slack features. Could you list out the GitHub Slack features that you considered (and which ones you didn't consider) and your heuristic for their value and how they all combine to be much, much less valuable than decentralized/free?

zeveb 10y ago
Email: - multiple clients on multiple platforms - multiple clients on emacs (e.g. Gnus, mu4e, NotMuch) - does not require a browser, ever - does not require executing untrusted code on my computer, ever - open protocols - multiple servers on multiple platforms - federated Github, Slack et. al.: - may have a decent text-only client (e.g. there's a Slack mode for emacs, and there are some GitHub clients out there, which may or may not be convenient) - strongly encourage and sometimes mandate use of a browser with execution of untrusted code allowed - protocols controlled by a single organisation, with no possibility to add functionality on the server side - servers controlled by a single organisation - no federation - fundamentally proprietary What I value: freedom; TUI clients; emacs clients; open protocols; being able to run my own service.
- vehementi 10y ago
  You listed only positives for Email and only negatives for Github etc. but you implicitly made the claim that decentralization and freedom are more valuable than all of slack and Github's features combined. Or are you saying that the value of everything except your "what I value" list is zero, so all of github/slack's objectively useful features are weighted to zero in the calculation?
  - chriswarbo 10y ago
    > you implicitly made the claim that decentralization and freedom are more valuable than all of slack and Github's features combined. I can't speak for others here, but personally I treat freedom as my first priority: it doesn't matter what features a platform offers if it doesn't offer freedom, because I will not use it if it doesn't offer freedom, therefore I'll never see any of those purported features.

zeveb 10y ago

Email: - multiple clients on multiple platforms - multiple clients on emacs (e.g. Gnus, mu4e, NotMuch) - does not require a browser, ever - does not require executing untrusted code on my computer, ever - open protocols - multiple servers on multiple platforms - federated Github, Slack et. al.: - may have a decent text-only client (e.g. there's a Slack mode for emacs, and there are some GitHub clients out there, which may or may not be convenient) - strongly encourage and sometimes mandate use of a browser with execution of untrusted code allowed - protocols controlled by a single organisation, with no possibility to add functionality on the server side - servers controlled by a single organisation - no federation - fundamentally proprietary What I value: freedom; TUI clients; emacs clients; open protocols; being able to run my own service.

vehementi 10y ago
You listed only positives for Email and only negatives for Github etc. but you implicitly made the claim that decentralization and freedom are more valuable than all of slack and Github's features combined. Or are you saying that the value of everything except your "what I value" list is zero, so all of github/slack's objectively useful features are weighted to zero in the calculation?
- chriswarbo 10y ago
  > you implicitly made the claim that decentralization and freedom are more valuable than all of slack and Github's features combined. I can't speak for others here, but personally I treat freedom as my first priority: it doesn't matter what features a platform offers if it doesn't offer freedom, because I will not use it if it doesn't offer freedom, therefore I'll never see any of those purported features.