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Sorry if I misunderstood, I thought it was implied that you were defending the racists from earlier in the conversation.

Arizhel 10y ago
Call it what you want: I'm both agreeing with you (who said that mass migration by Europeans to the Americas was bad) and with the other guy who said that what's going on in Palestine is wrong. Simply put, I can't think of a single example where a mass migration of people turned out to be a good thing for the people already living in the destination. If it's "racist" to claim that the Native American societies suffered horribly (and many were completely obliterated) as a result of European colonization, then so be it. It's weird, I've somehow gone from a leftist to a racist right-winger in just a few years without changing my opinions at all. It used to be that recognizing the tragedy that was European migration to the Americas was more a sign of someone of a more liberal persuasion. Nowadays it seems the opposite is the case, only the "racists" feel a sense of shame about what our European ancestors did to the Natives. Weird.
- disordinary 10y ago
  You're opinion is correct. I completely misunderstood your position based on the previous conversations I have had. The problem is that you're missing context on the other guys position, and the "conversation" that had gone on between us previously. His idea is that white people are inherently superior and therefore have the right to take what they want at the expense of others. He threw all sorts of nonsense statistics at me in an earlier comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    I see, sorry for my misunderstanding then. Personally, I think mass migrations are all bad, and migrations should be controlled to minimize disruption. "Everything in moderation" as they say. I think some immigration is a very good thing, no immigration leads to stagnation, and open-borders leads to too many problems. I definitely don't agree with any racist BS about any group of people having the right to take what they want at the expense of others. I do still maintain, however, that (this isn't directed at you at all) sometimes when talking to some people on the left, I really do feel like a right-wing extremist... I guess that's the problem with extremism: it happens on both (all) sides, so compared to the true extremist, someone who's a moderate will seem to be on the opposite "side", esp. in this crappy American system where everything is distilled down to only 2 sides.
    - disordinary 10y ago
      I agree, although I think that the western countries outside of Europe can do so much more for the humanitarian crisis that's going on and can drastically increase the refugee quotas.

Arizhel 10y ago

Call it what you want: I'm both agreeing with you (who said that mass migration by Europeans to the Americas was bad) and with the other guy who said that what's going on in Palestine is wrong. Simply put, I can't think of a single example where a mass migration of people turned out to be a good thing for the people already living in the destination. If it's "racist" to claim that the Native American societies suffered horribly (and many were completely obliterated) as a result of European colonization, then so be it. It's weird, I've somehow gone from a leftist to a racist right-winger in just a few years without changing my opinions at all. It used to be that recognizing the tragedy that was European migration to the Americas was more a sign of someone of a more liberal persuasion. Nowadays it seems the opposite is the case, only the "racists" feel a sense of shame about what our European ancestors did to the Natives. Weird.

disordinary 10y ago
You're opinion is correct. I completely misunderstood your position based on the previous conversations I have had. The problem is that you're missing context on the other guys position, and the "conversation" that had gone on between us previously. His idea is that white people are inherently superior and therefore have the right to take what they want at the expense of others. He threw all sorts of nonsense statistics at me in an earlier comment. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  I see, sorry for my misunderstanding then. Personally, I think mass migrations are all bad, and migrations should be controlled to minimize disruption. "Everything in moderation" as they say. I think some immigration is a very good thing, no immigration leads to stagnation, and open-borders leads to too many problems. I definitely don't agree with any racist BS about any group of people having the right to take what they want at the expense of others. I do still maintain, however, that (this isn't directed at you at all) sometimes when talking to some people on the left, I really do feel like a right-wing extremist... I guess that's the problem with extremism: it happens on both (all) sides, so compared to the true extremist, someone who's a moderate will seem to be on the opposite "side", esp. in this crappy American system where everything is distilled down to only 2 sides.
  - disordinary 10y ago
    I agree, although I think that the western countries outside of Europe can do so much more for the humanitarian crisis that's going on and can drastically increase the refugee quotas.