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The US President (as of today) thinks climate change is a hoax - https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en https://twitter.com/reald

by jshawl 10y ago

The US President (as of today) thinks climate change is a hoax - https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838...

Retric 10y ago
Don't assume he is being honest when he says anything. Lying is practically the guys calling card. That said, he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another globally. With how cheap wand and solar has gotten coal is on the way out and would take significant subsides to become competitive.
- merpnderp 10y ago
  Do you have any evidence it is solar and wind and not natural gas that have been undercutting coal?
  - mulletbum 10y ago
    There is some stuff out there. Check out this article http://bfy.tw/9azA http://bfy.tw/9azA
  - KirinDave 10y ago
    This is an odd request. Everything is undercutting coal. Coal has always been a rather expensive and dangerous technology, it's just that it's plentiful and in the land rights of Western powers. Other forms of energy have been undercutting it since thermal steam rigs started working in North African farms. Probably longer when you consider the history of wind power. If Natural Gas wasn't so arduous to obtain, a carbon liberator, and damaging to the water table to obtain, I suspect we'd be more excited about it.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      If Methane Hydrates work out, then natural gas will be less arduous to obtain - port cities will have pipes coming up from the seafloor into the harbor, delivering it to their millions of residents.
      - KirinDave 10y ago
        It's true, but it'd be nice if we were using oceanic floor pressure to sequester carbon rather than liberate more, even if on the long balance it's carbon neutral. We really need to work out practices where we actively remove carbon from the air.
- drinkjuice 10y ago
  We don't need to DO anything to achieve Doomsday, we need to fail to do enough, in time to prevent the point of no return. I'd say we're right on track.
  - melling 10y ago
    And we currently aren't doing enough. Last year's Paris agreement is not sufficient: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/23/ratifiying-the-paris-agreement-will-be-a-major-step-but-must-be-the-first-of-many https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/23/ratifiyi...
- manarth 10y ago
  he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another He has appointed a number of climate-change deniers to the cabinet [1], including positions such as the EPA Administrator. I wouldn't be surprised to see action against mitigating climate change, such as removing protections, or reducing funding for agencies involved in environmental protection. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/15/trump-cabinet-climate-change-deniers https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/15/trump-ca...
  - mcintyre1994 10y ago
    Has he gone back on his plan to end the Paris treaty? If not that seems like a big push one way or the other - though of course he might go back on it.
    - okreallywtf 10y ago
      Its literally day 1, give him 24 hours and we'll see.
      - manarth 10y ago
        Not even 24 hours. For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years. https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
      - eddiecalzone 10y ago
        You'd think, but he's decided to take the weekend off (not kidding). This, after it came out that he wanted tanks and rocket launchers at the inauguration. Our Dear Leader had to be told that it would look bad, and that the weight of the tanks would turn the streets to rubble.
        10y ago
- jrobn 10y ago
  I'm sure he would change is tune if some of his huge and tremendous business assets started drowning in ocean surges.
  - hawski 10y ago
    That would be too late. EDIT: But even after two cadencies it would probably not be close to it.
  - sean2 10y ago
    It's already happened: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-c...
    - jrobn 10y ago
      Somehow I'm not surprised at all. This man....
- krapp 10y ago
  Whether or not Trump is sincere, it is a commonly held belief among the American right that climate change is a fraud or a hoax perpetrated by "leftists" or, as Trump seems to claim, the Chinese. To me, the problem is less that Trump claims to believe climate change is a Chinese hoax, and more that such insane claims are what got him elected, because they seem refreshingly honest to so many Americans.
- MisterBastahrd 10y ago
  Yes, but the problem with him is that he's a mentally unsophisticated sociopath who is being led by the nose by anyone who will say nice things about him. This is a guy who will subsidize coal over wind and solar because "I don't wanna lose jobs."
- ychompinator 10y ago
  Coal use is still increasing globally.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > That said, he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another globally. He's likely to push climate change one way -- that is, in the direction of reinforcing the current trend. He's may be unlikely to push substantive policy responses to climate change, but that's a different issue.
- darkmouth 10y ago
  I am not a fan of how people try to downplay the situation and 'play fair' but giving someone the benefit of doubt who openly denies climate change and has appointed key members in the cabinet who have a lot of reasons to deny climate change even if they know its true. The Secretary of State is the former CEO of Exxon. There is no wisdom in trying to be neutral. There is no smartness and tolerance in trying to protect and tolerate things that are by themselves intolerant and harmful.
- notyourwork 10y ago
  He has an opportunity to go down in history as the president who saved the planet. He has not shown to lean this direction but I find it interesting that someone who wants worldly recognition would ignore a glaring opportunity.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    No money in it for him.
    - notyourwork 10y ago
      Agreed but the guy seems to like recognition and as a "billionare" I would assume the only thing left is to cement your legacy. How better to do it than be recognized by the world as the US president who changed stance on global warming and made a difference. Perhaps I am still dreaming that he will do an about face and actually be a good president. Regardless of who is president we can still dream, can't we?
      - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        I'm afraid, not this time.
rojobuffalo 10y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445555 All references to climate change have been deleted from the White House website...
- waterphone 10y ago
  Everything has been deleted from the White House website, this happens with every Presidential transition—the old site gets taken down and archived and the new team puts up their own site from scratch.
masonic 10y ago
(as of today) Are you stuck in November 2012?

by jshawl 10y ago

The US President (as of today) thinks climate change is a hoax - https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838...

Retric 10y ago

Don't assume he is being honest when he says anything. Lying is practically the guys calling card. That said, he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another globally. With how cheap wand and solar has gotten coal is on the way out and would take significant subsides to become competitive.

merpnderp 10y ago
Do you have any evidence it is solar and wind and not natural gas that have been undercutting coal?
- mulletbum 10y ago
  There is some stuff out there. Check out this article http://bfy.tw/9azA http://bfy.tw/9azA
- KirinDave 10y ago
  This is an odd request. Everything is undercutting coal. Coal has always been a rather expensive and dangerous technology, it's just that it's plentiful and in the land rights of Western powers. Other forms of energy have been undercutting it since thermal steam rigs started working in North African farms. Probably longer when you consider the history of wind power. If Natural Gas wasn't so arduous to obtain, a carbon liberator, and damaging to the water table to obtain, I suspect we'd be more excited about it.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    If Methane Hydrates work out, then natural gas will be less arduous to obtain - port cities will have pipes coming up from the seafloor into the harbor, delivering it to their millions of residents.
    - KirinDave 10y ago
      It's true, but it'd be nice if we were using oceanic floor pressure to sequester carbon rather than liberate more, even if on the long balance it's carbon neutral. We really need to work out practices where we actively remove carbon from the air.
drinkjuice 10y ago
We don't need to DO anything to achieve Doomsday, we need to fail to do enough, in time to prevent the point of no return. I'd say we're right on track.
- melling 10y ago
  And we currently aren't doing enough. Last year's Paris agreement is not sufficient: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/23/ratifiying-the-paris-agreement-will-be-a-major-step-but-must-be-the-first-of-many https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/23/ratifiyi...
manarth 10y ago
he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another He has appointed a number of climate-change deniers to the cabinet [1], including positions such as the EPA Administrator. I wouldn't be surprised to see action against mitigating climate change, such as removing protections, or reducing funding for agencies involved in environmental protection. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/15/trump-cabinet-climate-change-deniers https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/15/trump-ca...
- mcintyre1994 10y ago
  Has he gone back on his plan to end the Paris treaty? If not that seems like a big push one way or the other - though of course he might go back on it.
  - okreallywtf 10y ago
    Its literally day 1, give him 24 hours and we'll see.
    - manarth 10y ago
      Not even 24 hours. For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years. https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
    - eddiecalzone 10y ago
      You'd think, but he's decided to take the weekend off (not kidding). This, after it came out that he wanted tanks and rocket launchers at the inauguration. Our Dear Leader had to be told that it would look bad, and that the weight of the tanks would turn the streets to rubble.
      - 10y ago
jrobn 10y ago
I'm sure he would change is tune if some of his huge and tremendous business assets started drowning in ocean surges.
- hawski 10y ago
  That would be too late. EDIT: But even after two cadencies it would probably not be close to it.
- sean2 10y ago
  It's already happened: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-c...
  - jrobn 10y ago
    Somehow I'm not surprised at all. This man....
krapp 10y ago
Whether or not Trump is sincere, it is a commonly held belief among the American right that climate change is a fraud or a hoax perpetrated by "leftists" or, as Trump seems to claim, the Chinese. To me, the problem is less that Trump claims to believe climate change is a Chinese hoax, and more that such insane claims are what got him elected, because they seem refreshingly honest to so many Americans.
MisterBastahrd 10y ago
Yes, but the problem with him is that he's a mentally unsophisticated sociopath who is being led by the nose by anyone who will say nice things about him. This is a guy who will subsidize coal over wind and solar because "I don't wanna lose jobs."
ychompinator 10y ago
Coal use is still increasing globally.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> That said, he is unlikely to push climate change one way or another globally. He's likely to push climate change one way -- that is, in the direction of reinforcing the current trend. He's may be unlikely to push substantive policy responses to climate change, but that's a different issue.
darkmouth 10y ago
I am not a fan of how people try to downplay the situation and 'play fair' but giving someone the benefit of doubt who openly denies climate change and has appointed key members in the cabinet who have a lot of reasons to deny climate change even if they know its true. The Secretary of State is the former CEO of Exxon. There is no wisdom in trying to be neutral. There is no smartness and tolerance in trying to protect and tolerate things that are by themselves intolerant and harmful.
notyourwork 10y ago
He has an opportunity to go down in history as the president who saved the planet. He has not shown to lean this direction but I find it interesting that someone who wants worldly recognition would ignore a glaring opportunity.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  No money in it for him.
  - notyourwork 10y ago
    Agreed but the guy seems to like recognition and as a "billionare" I would assume the only thing left is to cement your legacy. How better to do it than be recognized by the world as the US president who changed stance on global warming and made a difference. Perhaps I am still dreaming that he will do an about face and actually be a good president. Regardless of who is president we can still dream, can't we?
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      I'm afraid, not this time.

rojobuffalo 10y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13445555 All references to climate change have been deleted from the White House website...

waterphone 10y ago
Everything has been deleted from the White House website, this happens with every Presidential transition—the old site gets taken down and archived and the new team puts up their own site from scratch.

masonic 10y ago

(as of today) Are you stuck in November 2012?