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> "...race liberals ran roughshod over deep concerns expressed by other liberals and some experts on crime and punishment that the quest for more proceduralism

> "...race liberals ran roughshod over deep concerns expressed by other liberals and some experts on crime and punishment that the quest for more proceduralism untethered to substantive goals in criminal justice would yield a more punitive criminal justice system" Outside the actual meaning intended for 'race liberals' it does seem like a case of labelling with the intent to paint a non-neutral narrative. The 'race liberals' ran roughshod. The other liberals concerns were deep, and supported by experts, and the proceduralism was apparently not tethered to any goals. This paragraph at least seems more fiction than non-fiction.

Tloewald 10y ago
The sentence is a little tough to unpack but it's saying that emphasizing procedure (rules) with a focus on race rather than improving criminal justice more broadly could yield a more punitive system. It's describing a difference of opinion, and this opinion seems reasonable. I assume a "race liberal" is someone who is liberal with respect to race just as a "social conservative" might be pro union and pro welfare but anti gay and anti abortion.
- richmarr 10y ago
  > ...emphasizing procedure (rules) with a focus on race rather than improving criminal justice more broadly could yield a more punitive system... I assume a "race liberal" ... I'm not aware anyone in this thread is having difficulty 'unpacking' the sentence, or extrapolating the broad meaning of the term 'race liberal'. If you read the parent's comment in a more generous frame of mind you'll realise that they were probably interested in exactly how this term has been applied in the past. My own comment was regarding the way the author presented a narrative, using labels without describing who she was actually talking about, criticising their actions without describing what they actually did. This narrative proclaims that a group did something without evidence or even goals, against the deep wishes of others, including experts. Does it seem likely that they didn't have goals (after all the qualifier 'substantive' is deeply subjective)? Does it seem likely that all the experts were opposed? Does it seem likely that only the opposing side had deep concerns?

Tloewald 10y ago

The sentence is a little tough to unpack but it's saying that emphasizing procedure (rules) with a focus on race rather than improving criminal justice more broadly could yield a more punitive system. It's describing a difference of opinion, and this opinion seems reasonable. I assume a "race liberal" is someone who is liberal with respect to race just as a "social conservative" might be pro union and pro welfare but anti gay and anti abortion.

richmarr 10y ago
> ...emphasizing procedure (rules) with a focus on race rather than improving criminal justice more broadly could yield a more punitive system... I assume a "race liberal" ... I'm not aware anyone in this thread is having difficulty 'unpacking' the sentence, or extrapolating the broad meaning of the term 'race liberal'. If you read the parent's comment in a more generous frame of mind you'll realise that they were probably interested in exactly how this term has been applied in the past. My own comment was regarding the way the author presented a narrative, using labels without describing who she was actually talking about, criticising their actions without describing what they actually did. This narrative proclaims that a group did something without evidence or even goals, against the deep wishes of others, including experts. Does it seem likely that they didn't have goals (after all the qualifier 'substantive' is deeply subjective)? Does it seem likely that all the experts were opposed? Does it seem likely that only the opposing side had deep concerns?