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This is just my opinion, but if you get two passes for drunk driving and you do it a third time... that's your fault. Also from the data, very few inmates get m

This is just my opinion, but if you get two passes for drunk driving and you do it a third time... that's your fault. Also from the data, very few inmates get more than 10-20 for drunk driving. Those are also probably people who have way more than 3 convictions, or have committed egregious drunk driving. We might want to look at what is causing you to drunk drive (addiction, which should be a medical issue and not a legal one), but something should be done after your third time.

saiya-jin 10y ago
hell, I knew US is a effed up police state these days, but even a possibility of life for 3 times driving drunk? that's not western democracy, that's 3rd world fascist dictatorship in a hardcore flavor (FYI, I rarely drink and if yes its max few beers/wine only, would never drive under influence) maybe if you are living daily in such a broken environment it starts to feel more normal, but seriously guys... get a grip and try to come up with something that actually solves problems and not just destroys lives permanently. I don't want to travel to US for same reasons I don't travel to Afghanistan or South Sudan - some good people, but messed up system and you don't want to accidentally see the darker side of it
- John23832 10y ago
  You didn't look at the stats... You're not getting a life sentence just for driving drunk a third time. You may get one for killing someone (or multiple people) while driving drunk, but not just for driving drunk. Look, I'm left of left, but there should be punishments for negative behavior.
- kefka 10y ago
  I've really wondered how one can be charged with Drunk Driving. Follow me out on this. I work in Academia. There's signs everywhere about consent. "Women can't give consent when drunk" is the canard. In Indiana, that's not the law. But in many states, that's true. Now, if someone cannot give consent to do something, or sign legal documents, how can it be legal to charge someone with a drunk driving charge? The decision to drive was not based in consent, but instead based in intoxication. Therefore they were not in the right state of mind, either to decide to drive or drive. Then again, I also think that bars with parking lots are a significant issue as well, as it encourages patrons to drive there, drink (possibly to drunk) and then leave in their vehicle.
  - Avshalom 10y ago
    It's a question of who is the victim. If I sign away my house while drunk, I'm getting fucked. If I run over you in a car while drunk, you're getting fucked.
    - kefka 10y ago
      One area which I'm thinking about which entails drugs and non-consent is in a hospital after a wreck. Someone's on pain drip, and insurance goon one of shows up, asking for papers to be signed. Signing those would be invalid. No informed consent was given, due to being in a mind-altered state due to pharmaceuticals. It's likely going to be a long court case, but there is precedent in having these types of coerced actions (signature) rescinded. My argument was that drunk driving was made in a coerced state of mind. The journey to "drunk" is one thing, but there certainly is question about actual liability.
      - Avshalom 10y ago
        but again, the victim in the first case is you, the victim in the second case is not you. Also yes in a better world getting people to sign shit from a hospital bed absolutely shouldn't leave them liable. I don't know exactly how many people have been bankrupt because an ambulance drove them to the ER but I know it's a hell of a lot higher than any sense of justice should allow.
  - jaclaz 10y ago
    >Then again, I also think that bars with parking lots are a significant issue as well, as it encourages patrons to drive there, drink (possibly to drunk) and then leave in their vehicle. I somehow have the feeling that bars WITHOUT parking lots will have less clients ... A solution could be bars with parking lots 1 mile away and courtesy bikes, but I guess that cycling accidents and bycicle thefts would have an instant surge ... More seriously, you drive to the bar parking lot, and while you are perfectly sober, you decide to get drunk (beyond legal limits). While you may well be right that the decision to drive is based on intoxication, the decision to get intoxicated is taken based on consent, knowing that you got there driving a car... AFAICU legal limits are fairly low so you should be sober enough when you order the "yet another" drink.

saiya-jin 10y ago

hell, I knew US is a effed up police state these days, but even a possibility of life for 3 times driving drunk? that's not western democracy, that's 3rd world fascist dictatorship in a hardcore flavor (FYI, I rarely drink and if yes its max few beers/wine only, would never drive under influence) maybe if you are living daily in such a broken environment it starts to feel more normal, but seriously guys... get a grip and try to come up with something that actually solves problems and not just destroys lives permanently. I don't want to travel to US for same reasons I don't travel to Afghanistan or South Sudan - some good people, but messed up system and you don't want to accidentally see the darker side of it

John23832 10y ago
You didn't look at the stats... You're not getting a life sentence just for driving drunk a third time. You may get one for killing someone (or multiple people) while driving drunk, but not just for driving drunk. Look, I'm left of left, but there should be punishments for negative behavior.
kefka 10y ago
I've really wondered how one can be charged with Drunk Driving. Follow me out on this. I work in Academia. There's signs everywhere about consent. "Women can't give consent when drunk" is the canard. In Indiana, that's not the law. But in many states, that's true. Now, if someone cannot give consent to do something, or sign legal documents, how can it be legal to charge someone with a drunk driving charge? The decision to drive was not based in consent, but instead based in intoxication. Therefore they were not in the right state of mind, either to decide to drive or drive. Then again, I also think that bars with parking lots are a significant issue as well, as it encourages patrons to drive there, drink (possibly to drunk) and then leave in their vehicle.
- Avshalom 10y ago
  It's a question of who is the victim. If I sign away my house while drunk, I'm getting fucked. If I run over you in a car while drunk, you're getting fucked.
  - kefka 10y ago
    One area which I'm thinking about which entails drugs and non-consent is in a hospital after a wreck. Someone's on pain drip, and insurance goon one of shows up, asking for papers to be signed. Signing those would be invalid. No informed consent was given, due to being in a mind-altered state due to pharmaceuticals. It's likely going to be a long court case, but there is precedent in having these types of coerced actions (signature) rescinded. My argument was that drunk driving was made in a coerced state of mind. The journey to "drunk" is one thing, but there certainly is question about actual liability.
    - Avshalom 10y ago
      but again, the victim in the first case is you, the victim in the second case is not you. Also yes in a better world getting people to sign shit from a hospital bed absolutely shouldn't leave them liable. I don't know exactly how many people have been bankrupt because an ambulance drove them to the ER but I know it's a hell of a lot higher than any sense of justice should allow.
- jaclaz 10y ago
  >Then again, I also think that bars with parking lots are a significant issue as well, as it encourages patrons to drive there, drink (possibly to drunk) and then leave in their vehicle. I somehow have the feeling that bars WITHOUT parking lots will have less clients ... A solution could be bars with parking lots 1 mile away and courtesy bikes, but I guess that cycling accidents and bycicle thefts would have an instant surge ... More seriously, you drive to the bar parking lot, and while you are perfectly sober, you decide to get drunk (beyond legal limits). While you may well be right that the decision to drive is based on intoxication, the decision to get intoxicated is taken based on consent, knowing that you got there driving a car... AFAICU legal limits are fairly low so you should be sober enough when you order the "yet another" drink.