This is a flat lie. I can tell you from firsthand experience that Oracle changed quite a number of things at Sun without understanding what they were or what t

This is a flat lie. I can tell you from firsthand experience that Oracle changed quite a number of things at Sun without understanding what they were or what the ramifications could -- and in fact turned out to -- be. This ranges from buying incompatible kit for servers because they didn't know and didn't ask, to shutting off services and causing all kinds of problems, to rolling software that was in a testing queue to production and wondering why other deployments were held back dealing with the sudden incompatibilities. Oracle may have some inspiring qualities but good communication, management involvement "in the trenches", and solid corporate infrastructure are not among them. Ellison is right about one thing in that Sun's sales and marketing completely destroyed many decent products. Their executive team took care of the rest.