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Oh good, Google abusing their power again. I guess as long as it's for "good" reasons. edit: would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arb

by serge2k 10y ago

Oh good, Google abusing their power again. I guess as long as it's for "good" reasons. edit: would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arbitrarily dictate web content is a power they should have?

steego 10y ago
Google's users don't like popup ads so this will likely make them happier with their search results and make them more loyal Google users. So why is Google beholden to deliver traffic to websites that use obtrusive popup ads when Google's users don't like it? Is Google somehow morally obligated to ensure a website's revenue model isn't disturbed when trying to provide a better experience for their users?
- tyingq 10y ago
  >Is Google somehow morally obligated to ensure a website's revenue model... This particular change doesn't irk me, but the one where they penalized for too many "above the fold" ads did bother me..because Google is the king of above-the-fold ads in search results. Similar for penalties for "duplicate content", which is exactly what their kg/widget program is doing...scraping other people's content. So, as long they as practice as they preach, it seems reasonable.
manarth 10y ago
would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arbitrarily dictate web content is a power they should have? Not actually a downvoter, but I do disagree with the sentiment: Google are simply choosing how to rank web-pages, for the people who visit their own search engine. If there weren't any monopoly issues in play, there would be no question of Google's behaviour at all. As it is, there are potentially monopoly issues in play, but in this instance, Google are simply penalising sites that provide a poor UX, which is a reasonable position for a search engine to take: prioritise the sites which provide the best value to visitors. As an end-user, I would like duck-duck-go, bing, yahoo, and every other search engine, to penalise sites that use popups in this way.
SquareWheel 10y ago
>edit: would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arbitrarily dictate web content is a power they should have? Because that's literally how search engines work. They look at hundreds of metrics to try to return the most useful result. If you want a metric-free search engine, you might as well ctrl+f for a list of the world's domains, because anything else will have subjectivity involved.
bitmapbrother 10y ago
Abusing their power? You mean like rewarding sites that present content people are searching for instead of plastering a full page ad in front of them? The shit people say to justify their anti-Google agenda never ceases to be ridiculous.

by serge2k 10y ago

steego 10y ago

Google's users don't like popup ads so this will likely make them happier with their search results and make them more loyal Google users. So why is Google beholden to deliver traffic to websites that use obtrusive popup ads when Google's users don't like it? Is Google somehow morally obligated to ensure a website's revenue model isn't disturbed when trying to provide a better experience for their users?

tyingq 10y ago
>Is Google somehow morally obligated to ensure a website's revenue model... This particular change doesn't irk me, but the one where they penalized for too many "above the fold" ads did bother me..because Google is the king of above-the-fold ads in search results. Similar for penalties for "duplicate content", which is exactly what their kg/widget program is doing...scraping other people's content. So, as long they as practice as they preach, it seems reasonable.

manarth 10y ago

would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arbitrarily dictate web content is a power they should have? Not actually a downvoter, but I do disagree with the sentiment: Google are simply choosing how to rank web-pages, for the people who visit their own search engine. If there weren't any monopoly issues in play, there would be no question of Google's behaviour at all. As it is, there are potentially monopoly issues in play, but in this instance, Google are simply penalising sites that provide a poor UX, which is a reasonable position for a search engine to take: prioritise the sites which provide the best value to visitors. As an end-user, I would like duck-duck-go, bing, yahoo, and every other search engine, to penalise sites that use popups in this way.

SquareWheel 10y ago

>edit: would any downvoters care to explain how google being able to arbitrarily dictate web content is a power they should have? Because that's literally how search engines work. They look at hundreds of metrics to try to return the most useful result. If you want a metric-free search engine, you might as well ctrl+f for a list of the world's domains, because anything else will have subjectivity involved.

bitmapbrother 10y ago

Abusing their power? You mean like rewarding sites that present content people are searching for instead of plastering a full page ad in front of them? The shit people say to justify their anti-Google agenda never ceases to be ridiculous.