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For the sake of an argument, yes. However, Manning has a played very significant role in history and to fully understand that role we must understand the person

For the sake of an argument, yes. However, Manning has a played very significant role in history and to fully understand that role we must understand the person, and why that person in particular chose to do what so many others in that same place did not. However, if this assessment is correct, then I am surprised Manning even made PFC. Thats the story I would like to hear.

dogma1138 10y ago
Sorry, but in the long run I manning didn't play an important role in history, besides a few activists and now the media no one really remembers him or the leaks. One can even say that Snowden is irrelevant in the long run, he only pops up once in a while. There was not major political or social fallout following manning. Same goes for Snowden, the NSA is still there with more power than ever, more and more countries developing similar capabilities and no one seem to really care.
- rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
  >There was not major political or social fallout following manning. Same goes for Snowden, the NSA is still there with more power than ever, more and more countries developing similar capabilities and no one seem to really care. Just because something extraordinary happens and nothing changes doesn't mean it didn't become history; it's precisely the kind of history of the time we are in. Things dont change because the world has been artifically crafted to be perceived as a stable system. If you haven't seen Adam Curtis' documentaries, I highly recommend them. Particularly HyperNormalization.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    The fact that something is recorded in history doesn't make it a historic event. I can guarantee you that more people know that Kim Kardashian was robbed at gunpoint in London than what Manning did.
    - rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
      From the article: >Manning altered not only the way we think about information security, authentication and confidentiality, but also about the grave damage posed by the insider threat. So it was a historic event to the military, and we still don't know how the repercussions of this will eventually play out. History isn't what people know about, it's what happens. I doubt you know about how an obscure British psychologist crippled the American psychological profession with doubt which had a major role in ushering in global neoliberalism, but it happened, and it affected nearly everybody. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

dogma1138 10y ago

Sorry, but in the long run I manning didn't play an important role in history, besides a few activists and now the media no one really remembers him or the leaks. One can even say that Snowden is irrelevant in the long run, he only pops up once in a while. There was not major political or social fallout following manning. Same goes for Snowden, the NSA is still there with more power than ever, more and more countries developing similar capabilities and no one seem to really care.

rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
>There was not major political or social fallout following manning. Same goes for Snowden, the NSA is still there with more power than ever, more and more countries developing similar capabilities and no one seem to really care. Just because something extraordinary happens and nothing changes doesn't mean it didn't become history; it's precisely the kind of history of the time we are in. Things dont change because the world has been artifically crafted to be perceived as a stable system. If you haven't seen Adam Curtis' documentaries, I highly recommend them. Particularly HyperNormalization.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  The fact that something is recorded in history doesn't make it a historic event. I can guarantee you that more people know that Kim Kardashian was robbed at gunpoint in London than what Manning did.
  - rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
    From the article: >Manning altered not only the way we think about information security, authentication and confidentiality, but also about the grave damage posed by the insider threat. So it was a historic event to the military, and we still don't know how the repercussions of this will eventually play out. History isn't what people know about, it's what happens. I doubt you know about how an obscure British psychologist crippled the American psychological profession with doubt which had a major role in ushering in global neoliberalism, but it happened, and it affected nearly everybody. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment