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The arguments in this open as to why we shouldn't like Chelsea Manning was that she misunderstood social cues, didn't respond well eating a whole meal within 2
by xutopia 10y ago
The arguments in this open as to why we shouldn't like Chelsea Manning was that she misunderstood social cues, didn't respond well eating a whole meal within 2 minutes and 45 seconds, and complained she couldn't do it about a few of the idiotic exercises you are asked to do.
Yeah no shit... military training is ridiculous. I think a lot of us have enough sense to not ever join.
- throwaway9865 10y agoI've never bought into the transitioning into a woman more so it's great PR to get his story and plight out there; help get him released .. looks like it worked. Before you downvote me think about fake news... fake online dating profiles....all having their own agendas... you think Manning and his team didn't have an agenda and do everything in their power to help free him? Also in 2013 the whole transitioning thing was a hot social topic and all progressives were embracing it. Did him and his team jump on this movement/exploit it to get him released... personally I question a lot of what i see and read and again I think his transition was a really good move to keep him in the public eye especially in 2013
- celticninja 10y agoSeems like a very extreme length to go to for your freedom when it is by no means guaranteed.
- throwaway9865 10y agoYou wouldn't do everything in your power to not have to live in solitary confinement for 35 years??? Especially when your counterpart Snowden is living as a free and highly revered hero while your locked up in a dark hole???
- celticninja 10y agoYes of course but transitioning to a female doesn't increase the chance of release but does increase the short, medium and long term difficulties of being incarcerated. By your reasoning we should see him/her start to transition back to male after his release (say within 18 months) I'm happy to make a wager on that not happening, nothing silly but perhaps $25 to the charity of the winners choice?
- throwaway9865 10y agoHe did not get surgery and if someone needs to transition go ahead. Overall there is no harm done here by my questioning things and making you either reject it fully or think as with all the fake news that this was orchestrated for the better of Manning. Obviously everyone disagrees with my viewpoint and that's fine. I've been right about these things before and wrong too! Overall there needs to be a startup or something that instantly shows what's fake and what's not. Will Manning still be a woman ten years from now maybe .. maybe not. But we as techies may want to question a lot of what we see and hear.. especially on the Internet. I.e. Pizzagate
- stephancoral 10y agoJust because someone has an "agenda" doesn't mean it is insidious or disingenuous. Everyone has an "agenda". This cynical attitude is so toxic because it masquerades as "critical thinking" when in fact all it does it simple contradiction and negation. Like, what is your evidence? That you never "bought" into it? Give me a break. Have you ever met a trans person? Have you ever talked to someone going through gender dysmorphia? It's a heartbreaking, serious condition. This is someone's life, someone who was given an extreme sentence that is way beyond any precedent or any sense of justice considering their crimes. Your pseudo-intellectual posturing disgusts me. HN is getting more and more of these cranks by the day, might be time for me to leave.
- throwaway9865 10y agoHuh I'm all for transgenders but also someone who has created fake news and stories to push agendas.
- throwaway9865 10y agoOh so you believe everything you see and read?
- cholantesh 10y agoNo, which is why I choose to scoff at conspiratorial rantings that are bereft of evidence.
- throwaway9865 10y agoThink you meant yes
- dang 10y agoWe've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that.
- cubecul 10y agoI recommend reading the entire thing. The article is not trying to pitch the audience against Manning, just that the currently popular image of Manning is incomplete.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoI don't care what the image is of Manning, that's no excuse to treat her like the US military did. We are human beings (or so we like to believe), not savages.
- vanattab 10y agoWhat is the US military accused of doing?
- toomuchtodo 10y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/us/chelsea-manning-sentence-obama.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/us/chelsea-manning-senten...
- droopybuns 10y agoOutrageous amounts of solitary confinement.