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This Moba and TowerDefence genres that started as maps and mods of RTS games (Age of Empire 1/2 and WarCraft3). I personally find this grinding gameplay style

by frik 10y ago

This Moba and TowerDefence genres that started as maps and mods of RTS games (Age of Empire 1/2 and WarCraft3). I personally find this grinding gameplay style boring. Like Farmville or playing at a casino or lottery. Pointless and boring repetitive. I prefer real games. Sadly, triple-A RTS games are no more, no new release for 10 years (beside SC2, which I dislike). Halo Wars 1 and C&C4 marked the end, and the low point of RTS by causualisation to fit the consoles. Whereas modern games like Watch Dogs 2 on consoles have a more complex control schema and RTS elements with it's drone and hacking. One day I want a new AoE and C&C with modern graphics as PC first triple-A game.

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eljimmy 10y ago
To each his own. I find DOTA (a MOBA) extremely entertaining. Far from repetitive. There are so many heroes with so many different dynamics that can arise from one game to the next. I don't really consider it a grind at all. MMPORGs are where the true grinding occurs.
justicezyx 10y ago
TBH blz neglects war3 because they are riding the wow cash cow. War3 has always had a healthy community. In China war3 community was the pincle of any gaming community in history. Blz stops releasing balancing patch after 1.23, not sure exactly. Then the games all become identical. The players dwindles. Most go to war3 DotA. Even then blz had a chance to capture the next big thing in their ecosystem. They neglected it. War3 has been a total disappointment for me personally. War3 game is way more entertaining imho. Blz really advanced the state of art of RTS by mixing traditional RTS with RPG elements (I bet it's not blz invented). The graphics shows a good presentation appealing to showing to large crowd. Sadly they squandered the golden opportunity...
urda 10y ago
Your line of reasoning makes zero sense. In a single comment you manage to claim MOBA type games are "Pointless and boring repetitive." but then celebrate RTS-style games which have similar mechanics to MOBAs. > I prefer real games. FWIW MOBA's and TD style games are real games.
Roodgorf 10y ago
You're essentially arguing nothing more than personal preference; I don't think this holds much weight beyond that. You could essentially make the exact same statements about chess. "Every game starts exactly the same, the pieces never vary (without modding), and there hasn't been a new release for centuries. Yawn." Not everyone likes chess either, granted, but it's hard to deny that the variations that can arise from a simple set of rules can continue to compelling experiences for players.
ajkjk 10y ago
What do you mean 'real games'? Mobas have far less in common with Farmville or casinos than MMOs; did you mean to bash those?
ArchReaper 10y ago
Dawn of War: Warhammer, Age of Wonders 3, Paradox games, Civilization... It may not be quite like it used to, but strategy as a broader genre is still going strong.
- rhcom2 10y ago
  Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak also came out in 2016 and was a great RTS.

by frik 10y ago

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eljimmy 10y ago

To each his own. I find DOTA (a MOBA) extremely entertaining. Far from repetitive. There are so many heroes with so many different dynamics that can arise from one game to the next. I don't really consider it a grind at all. MMPORGs are where the true grinding occurs.

justicezyx 10y ago

TBH blz neglects war3 because they are riding the wow cash cow. War3 has always had a healthy community. In China war3 community was the pincle of any gaming community in history. Blz stops releasing balancing patch after 1.23, not sure exactly. Then the games all become identical. The players dwindles. Most go to war3 DotA. Even then blz had a chance to capture the next big thing in their ecosystem. They neglected it. War3 has been a total disappointment for me personally. War3 game is way more entertaining imho. Blz really advanced the state of art of RTS by mixing traditional RTS with RPG elements (I bet it's not blz invented). The graphics shows a good presentation appealing to showing to large crowd. Sadly they squandered the golden opportunity...

urda 10y ago

Your line of reasoning makes zero sense. In a single comment you manage to claim MOBA type games are "Pointless and boring repetitive." but then celebrate RTS-style games which have similar mechanics to MOBAs. > I prefer real games. FWIW MOBA's and TD style games are real games.

Roodgorf 10y ago

You're essentially arguing nothing more than personal preference; I don't think this holds much weight beyond that. You could essentially make the exact same statements about chess. "Every game starts exactly the same, the pieces never vary (without modding), and there hasn't been a new release for centuries. Yawn." Not everyone likes chess either, granted, but it's hard to deny that the variations that can arise from a simple set of rules can continue to compelling experiences for players.

ajkjk 10y ago

What do you mean 'real games'? Mobas have far less in common with Farmville or casinos than MMOs; did you mean to bash those?

ArchReaper 10y ago

Dawn of War: Warhammer, Age of Wonders 3, Paradox games, Civilization... It may not be quite like it used to, but strategy as a broader genre is still going strong.

rhcom2 10y ago
Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak also came out in 2016 and was a great RTS.