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> I remember learning about how in its early days, Singapore forced integration in its HDB flats (most of sg's population live in such flats). After attempts at
by splintercell 10y ago
> I remember learning about how in its early days, Singapore forced integration in its HDB flats (most of sg's population live in such flats). After attempts at integration in the US, we had white flight and now this as mentioned in the article, while sg is probably the model multicultural society.
Have you ever met Singaporeans? My best from college was from Singapore (of Indian origin), from what he told me, it's a very culturally segregated society. Keep in mind Singapore supports English, Tamil, Chinese and Malay. Ethnic Malays and Tamils will not learn Mandarin unless they really need to, and govt push for Mandarin could only lead to more resentment among these ethnolinguistic minorities.
Singapore is not a democracy, so that's another reason why you can't or won't see the problems of the society just from the surface.
When the govt forces these measures on the society, the end result is never pretty. When immigrants come to America, they integrate at their own pace. If I came to America with my family, chances are I'd have spoken my mother tongue for a lot longer than I did. I switched to English (speaking, reading, writing, and thinking) within the first two years. My wife on the other hand who came here with her family, she spoke a lot of Russian until she married me (nearly 18 years after being in US). Not just that, her family now speaks a lot more English (and a lot better).
Whenever govt tries to 'impose' integration, people feel threatened that someone else is trying to steal their stuff (in this case, their culture, their identity), whereas under freedom they willingly do things differently, they willingly adopt other values or give away their identity.
President Charles Heston couldn't have sold as many guns as President Obama did. Because of Obama, people suddenly feel that Second Amendment is very precious.
If your son does not have any friends, then by kidnapping some kids from his class and forcing them to attend your son's birthday party won't make them be friends with your son, instead it would simply make them resent him more.
- noobermin 10y agoMy SO is singaporean. I will admit I've never lived there for more than a month, but I plan on moving there to live with her after I finish my PhD. I don't know what you mean by "very culturally segregated," my experience there the couple of times I've been there is it's not as integrated as say it sounds like it was in the 60's, but it is significantly more diverse and integrated than it is here in the US. Mostly, people of different cultures do interact with each other quite a bit and there is a level of comfort the different races have which each other which is not the case in the US. This is just me, but I feel more comfortable there. It may sound silly, but people have a nicer and less judgemental stare than what I get in certain neighborhoods in the US. Also, regarding their authoritarianism, what I've learned from my gf is that it just is their culture to be more submissive to authority. I did not get this sense that everyone was on the edge of their seats to start a racewar or revolution or that there were issues "beneath the surface." A couple of people complain about foreigners, but that is mainly non-singaporeans of all races, not really "those Indians" or "those Malays." I do agree on cultural ground though that an authoritarian state would be counter-productive for the US, as I alluded to earlier.